Coronavirus

[ariotofmyown]

3 minutes ago, maxjam said:

Hindsight eh?

 

Maybe John Simpson would not have been eating out if he had received the information that Johnson would have heard at the Cobra meetings. That's if Johnson had bothered to go instead of sorting out his divorce so he could announce his engagement to the latest woman he had knocked up.

[Uptherams]

1 hour ago, ariotofmyown said:

You do know that our esteemed leaders Johnson and Gove were journalists right. And Johnson got sacked from the Times for making up parts of a story.

The journos asking the questions know that they could be in the cabinet after the next election, so you can't blame them for trying to raise their own profile. Get a couple of zingers in, be mildy funny on HIGNFY and you're all set.

Neither are esteemed.

[Bob The Badger]

1 hour ago, Gaspode said:

I think technically it is - but they all followed his lead when he said they should go into lockdown. Now he’s encouraging them to start easing the restrictions..... and there are reports that the Florida beaches were packed as soon as they re-opened.

He has zero power over the States and even some Republican Governors have come out and criticized his expectations and saying that they cannot meet him.

There were a handful of sycophants like Ron DeSantis here in Florida who have just been following his lead but States like California, New York, New Jersey, Michigan and even the Republican, Ohio, have been either ignoring him or calling him out at their briefings.

He's not even officially calling them to ease their restrictions until they can hit a certain testing level which they're not even close to, so it's entirely academic.

Of course he's saying different poo on Twitter.

 

[Uptherams]

https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2020/04/19/response-to-sunday-times-insight-article/

 

[Uptherams]

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

Infection fatality rate of 0.1% - 0.36%.

Sample of 1000 people in Germany indicated IFR of 0.37% and 15% of people had antibodies already. IFR much lower among certain demographics.

[B4ev6is]

On 18/04/2020 at 19:42, Van Gritters said:

A bit of good news for @B4ev6is the cemeteries are opening.

Not my grandma one still shut at the moment.

[angieram]

4 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:

Not my grandma one still shut at the moment.

The council won't be back at work until tomorrow. Hopefully they will all be open in the next few days.

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, Uptherams said:

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

Infection fatality rate of 0.1% - 0.36%.

Sample of 1000 people in Germany indicated IFR of 0.37% and 15% of people had antibodies already. IFR much lower among certain demographics.

The relationship between infection rate and demographics will be interesting to determine. My guess is that there will be relationships that also involve income, number of generations living within the same household, living space etc, and that these (geodemographics) may outweigh ethnicity as the prime cause of the variance.

Then again, I might be totally wrong.

[Malagaram]

3 hours ago, ariotofmyown said:

You do know that our esteemed leaders Johnson and Gove were journalists right. And Johnson got sacked from the Times for making up parts of a story.

The journos asking the questions know that they could be in the cabinet after the next election, so you can't blame them for trying to raise their own profile. Get a couple of zingers in, be mildy funny on HIGNFY and you're all set.

 

3 hours ago, Van Cone De Head said:

I’d rather have Frank Spencer doing the briefing.

Ooh Betty

 

 

[Uptherams]

4 minutes ago, Eddie said:

The relationship between infection rate and demographics will be interesting to determine. My guess is that there will be relationships that also involve income, number of generations living within the same household, living space etc, and that these (geodemographics) may outweigh ethnicity as the prime cause of the variance.

Then again, I might be totally wrong.

Like I've said before, these studies are being conducted all over and while it's easy to just call a politician stupid for their comments or actions, the conclusion i come to is these figures have access to the studies while many have yet to be released to the public. They already know what the general public do not. The concensus among the experts, (not who gets put in front of a camera) is that so long as healthcare systems are not at capacity, the mortality rate will be almost identical ( taking into account certain demographics as you highlight) in nations, no matter the approach. Specifically, Sweden will experience all it's deaths in one wave, while a country that enters and exists lockdown would experience the same levels in total, but in multiple waves. 

There is already chatter that in fact, between 30-50% of people in nations worst hit, have antibodies already. That studies keep showing significant increases. 

[Uptherams]

Tactically speaking. I would presume the government would like to reverse the lockdown, once multiple studies show 50%+ of people in the UK have antibodies already due to the psychological impact of that figure and have been given a rough date as to when this is estimated to be the case. 

Might be lower. 40 percent, 35 percent even. 

[ramit]

While this thread veers into the political spectrum, the politics thread is mostly about what is discussed here

In my warped mind, that can only mean one of 3 things.  1. The virus is political 2. Politics are viral 3. Both

 

[ariotofmyown]

3 hours ago, Bob The Badger said:

He has zero power over the States and even some Republican Governors have come out and criticized his expectations and saying that they cannot meet him.

There were a handful of sycophants like Ron DeSantis here in Florida who have just been following his lead but States like California, New York, New Jersey, Michigan and even the Republican, Ohio, have been either ignoring him or calling him out at their briefings.

He's not even officially calling them to ease their restrictions until they can hit a certain testing level which they're not even close to, so it's entirely academic.

Of course he's saying different poo on Twitter.

 

How are thing going over there @Bob The Badger? Your partner works in medical profession right? Hope you are all well.

[1of4]

As questions are being asked about when isolation will end. There's talk about a possible second wave of infections, once people return to interacting with each other in large numbers.

So would that mean a new period of isolation or could the government revert back to it's original strategy of herd immunity.

If we did follow the a policy of herd immunity, would it be a case of the survival of the fittest, as in animal kingdom. Thus having to leave the sick to mainly fend for themselves, while accepting the resulting fatalities.

 Or will we try to carry on caring for all the sick with the likelihood that our health care system will be over run. Which it will be unless the NHS is quickly supplied with a lot more equipment than it's currently getting.

So how will this crisis be ended? Will it be by remaining in isolation and waiting for the virus to disappear or for a vaccine to be found. Or allowing the coronavirus to run riot throughout the population, until an immunity is built up, while accepting the resulting death toll.

[Sith Happens]

5 hours ago, ramit said:

While this thread veers into the political spectrum, the politics thread is mostly about what is discussed here

In my warped mind, that can only mean one of 3 things.  1. The virus is political 2. Politics are viral 3. Both

 

I think this thread should be for discussing the illness,  the challenges we are facing,  the things we are doing to make our lives better during the crisis,  maybe even some light hearted humour to help us through it. 

it keeps getting hijacked for political point scoring,  there is apparently a rule on the forum that politics shouldn't be allowed at all, but a thread was allowed where all political posts should go.

if this thread is going to be allowed by the moderators to be overrun by political posts they should just merge them.

just my opinion. 

[Ghost of Clough]

4 hours ago, 1of4 said:

As questions are being asked about when isolation will end. There's talk about a possible second wave of infections, once people return to interacting with each other in large numbers.

So would that mean a new period of isolation or could the government revert back to it's original strategy of herd immunity.

If we did follow the a policy of herd immunity, would it be a case of the survival of the fittest, as in animal kingdom. Thus having to leave the sick to mainly fend for themselves, while accepting the resulting fatalities.

 Or will we try to carry on caring for all the sick with the likelihood that our health care system will be over run. Which it will be unless the NHS is quickly supplied with a lot more equipment than it's currently getting.

So how will this crisis be ended? Will it be by remaining in isolation and waiting for the virus to disappear or for a vaccine to be found. Or allowing the coronavirus to run riot throughout the population, until an immunity is built up, while accepting the resulting death toll.

Somewhere in between in my opinion - restrictions eased, but just enough to ensure we don’t reach capacity

[G STAR RAM]

Can we have a sweepstake on what will be our specialist subject for May 2020 please?

Just as a reminder so far, we have already had:-

March 2020 - Herd immunity

April 2020 - COBRA meetings in the 21st century

May 2020 - ???

[maxjam]

4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Can we have a sweepstake on what will be our specialist subject for May 2020 please?

Just as a reminder so far, we have already had:-

March 2020 - Herd immunity

April 2020 - COBRA meetings in the 21st century

May 2020 - ???

Exit Strategy

[Sith Happens]

4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Can we have a sweepstake on what will be our specialist subject for May 2020 please?

Just as a reminder so far, we have already had:-

March 2020 - Herd immunity

April 2020 - COBRA meetings in the 21st century

May 2020 - ???

Can we have Bluebells? That would be nice.

 

[TramRam]

5 minutes ago, Paul71 said:

Can we have Bluebells? That would be nice.

 

If Herd immunity is the option, I can see all the males getting Blueballs.