Guest Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Good points I certainly agree with the blame culture being endemic. If we do leave, any incoming Labour government will probably make good use of unrestricted state intervention. I was also thinking about whether the 1975 referendum had any more legitimacy than the 2016 one in terms of your first paragraph re referendum use and purpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, Monty said: Good points I certainly agree with the blame culture being endemic. If we do leave, any incoming Labour government will probably make good use of unrestricted state intervention. I was also thinking about whether the 1975 referendum had any more legitimacy than the 2016 one in terms of your first paragraph re referendum use and purpose Referenda are never legitimate when it is possible to interpret the desire for different courses of action from a single result. It's also the case that in 1975, the EEC was a 'trade club', and such aspects of the EU like customs unions, freedom of movement etc were way in the future. Incidentally, Britain was heavily in favour of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 The legislation to extend the Brexit process in a bid to avoid a no-deal scenario has received royal assent and has become law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 4 hours ago, reveldevil said: I don't agree with the bolded part, but perhaps I'm an idealist. I do hope so and, given our history so far, you're probably right. I just worry a little - division is never a good thing and we're putting that front and centre at the momemt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 The fact that we are even considering preventing children from learning about very real issues and potential prejudices that they will face or see others face because of a supposed man in the sky is an absolute disgrace. Prejudice comes from misinformation and could be reduced hugely by proper education from a young age. If you don’t want your children to be educated on what goes on in the world, you’re a bigot, whatever race or religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47862622 can't wait for the UK to get shafted by both the US and the EU in our 'managed WTO brexit' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 12 hours ago, reveldevil said: we vote like our weather, fair and temperate. You must have different weather to me. To me it looks permanently wet, overcast and gloomy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 14 hours ago, McRamFan said: Great piece from a Tory! Check out @Jim_Cornelius’s Tweet: Can't help feeling rather saddened by that. We must look like the top chavs in Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 ....anyway......try this....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, RamNut said: ....anyway......try this....... Not sure if to like it or remove it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Not sure if to like it or remove it Maybe put an advisory, regarding the language, otherwise can't see what's wrong with it. He is gigging at South-end, which was massively leave, and he is mocking that, and they are laughing at it...speaks volumes. https://www.southend.gov.uk/info/200400/elections_and_registering_to_vote/308/election_results/4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 What must scottish and northern irish voters think.....i suppose they're too busy getting drunk or repressing gays to bother. https://ig.ft.com/sites/elections/2016/uk/eu-referendum/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Amazing the effect that Hadrian's wall has had on attitudes to Europe...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 14 hours ago, alexxxxx said: the second link actually states that the report finds no evidence that Google actually adjusted its search results to be more left-leaning, it states that there are less right-wing news sites As I said yesterday - I'm not sure that Google have a political angle. All they care about is protecting their monopoly and their ability to make huge amounts of money. They hate Article 13 because it forces them to be accountable for the content that users upload. As opposed to now where they happily allow anything (and make money from it) until someone complains. That's a pretty cushy set-up for them. They will use their immense power to protect their interests - regardless of which way that leans them politically. 14 hours ago, alexxxxx said: regardless of your preferences, i would wager that the effect of social media has a greater impact than google Yep - but Google = YouTube - which is fast becoming the sole source of information for a generation. If you searched Youtube for Article 13 you got no videos returned in the results that supported it. But they are all there -just being deliberately supressed in the rankings The method of control is right there - we're ultimately screwed I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just a reminder - it's a politics thread, not a religion thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, StivePesley said: As I said yesterday - I'm not sure that Google have a political angle. All they care about is protecting their monopoly and their ability to make huge amounts of money. They hate Article 13 because it forces them to be accountable for the content that users upload. As opposed to now where they happily allow anything (and make money from it) until someone complains. That's a pretty cushy set-up for them. They will use their immense power to protect their interests - regardless of which way that leans them politically. Yep - but Google = YouTube - which is fast becoming the sole source of information for a generation. If you searched Youtube for Article 13 you got no videos returned in the results that supported it. But they are all there -just being deliberately supressed in the rankings The method of control is right there - we're ultimately screwed I think Google may or may not have a political bias but like all the tech giants they are based in progressive left California therefore their natural bias is that of being lefties. The algorithms they create favour the left and they are more likely to suppress the views of the right furthermore they have the ability to actively promote or suppress ideas they agree/disagree with - that is imo to much power to be left unregulated. twitter bias: https://quillette.com/2019/02/12/it-isnt-your-imagination-twitter-treats-conservatives-more-harshly-than-liberals/ youtube bias; https://pyt.azureedge.net/ the second link shows that you are twice as likely to be recommended a left leaning video after viewing right leaning content than the reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, StivePesley said: Yep - but Google = YouTube - which is fast becoming the sole source of information for a generation. If you searched Youtube for Article 13 you got no videos returned in the results that supported it. But they are all there -just being deliberately supressed in the rankings I use google for quick search of products etc, however if I am looking to do some decent research I will use duck duck go, and the TOR browser. They remember nothing and go not track you. Great for research, pain if you have to long into anything. Type brexit in to google and then duckduckgo, the result might surprise you. https://duckduckgo.com/ https://www.torproject.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Google political bias, one study, there are others. https://studybreaks.com/news-politics/google/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, maxjam said: Understood, although I'd argue that politics are religion are intertwined! Any chance we can have a religion thread? Or are we still in our trial period with the politics thread being reopened? Its a hugely interesting topic and one of my specialist subjects!! Under the forum terms of use, prohibited content still includes - Politics, religion and sex discussions. Also content that incites hatred against, promotes discrimination of, or disparages an individual or group on the basis of their race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, age, nationality, veteran status, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, or other characteristic that is associated with systemic discrimination or marginalisation. https://dcfcfans.uk/guidelines/ Whilst we are allowing this one politics topic as a trial, this does not mean we have lifted the ban on religious and sexual discussions. Now we understand some political issues maybe religious, some leniency will be given where necessary, however this is not the topic or forum to discuss religion in depth or express your personal views on religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 50 minutes ago, RamNut said: Amazing the effect that Hadrian's wall has had on attitudes to Europe...... What have the Romans ever done for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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