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8 hours ago, Bosshogg said:

Difficult to ‘prove’ as such (despite watching it and it looking like he meant to do it). But let’s say it isn’t intentional, it’s professional negligence. If you had any job and kept having accidents that caused serious injury to those that you worked alongside kept you’d be very unlikely to keep your job. 

Disgraceful stuff. 

 

Not shooting the messenger here but how can this be difficult to prove? He takes a half stride, despite going forward at full momentum, in order to effect it. It's simply against the laws of physics and anatomy to ground your foot at less than a complete stride when running at full pace. He knew exactly what he was doing. Like you said - disgraceful. And yes, this should now be in the hands of the police - and I would say the same if it had been one of ours.

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Hmm... so he has accidentally stamped on two players heads...  BS, both where deliberate.  Thank God we couldn't afford him, and I hope he is banned for teh rest of the season, if not arrested.

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38 minutes ago, BaaLocks said:

Not shooting the messenger here but how can this be difficult to prove? He takes a half stride, despite going forward at full momentum, in order to effect it. It's simply against the laws of physics and anatomy to ground your foot at less than a complete stride when running at full pace. He knew exactly what he was doing. Like you said - disgraceful. And yes, this should now be in the hands of the police - and I would say the same if it had been one of ours.

I was saying it in the sense that that is exactly what the authorities will say. He’ll get a small ban and that’s it. Barely mentioned in the press this morning as well. A side note to a 0-0 game. 

I really hope Reading kick up a stink about it. I doubt the punishment will fit the crime but something should be done. 

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I see the FA are investigating

Watching this on repeat on the below, im not sure if it was intentional or not. He gets his leg tangled and appears to be attempting to hurdle the player so not intentional, yet the force he comes down with makes me feel it is, will be interesting to see how this pans out.

http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2019/02/02/gif-video-tyrone-mings-stamps-nelson-oliveira-2019-mings-vs-oliveira-incident/

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9 minutes ago, AdamRam said:

I see the FA are investigating

Watching this on repeat on the below, im not sure if it was intentional or not. He gets his leg tangled and appears to be attempting to hurdle the player so not intentional, yet the force he comes down with makes me feel it is, will be interesting to see how this pans out.

http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2019/02/02/gif-video-tyrone-mings-stamps-nelson-oliveira-2019-mings-vs-oliveira-incident/

What I found interesting was that Oliviera almost instantly jumped right back up. Divers should take note. When you’ve genuinely been seriously hurt, you don’t flop around on the floor like a dead fish. 

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11 hours ago, Bosshogg said:

Difficult to ‘prove’ as such (despite watching it and it looking like he meant to do it). But let’s say it isn’t intentional, it’s professional negligence. If you had any job and kept having accidents that caused serious injury to those that you worked alongside kept you’d be very unlikely to keep your job. 

Disgraceful stuff. 

 

As someone who defended him the first time this happened because I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt, I agree with your point regarding professional negligence. If the guy really has so little control over his own appendages then he's a danger to himself and anyone unfortunate enough to enter his vicinity. This is worthy of a significant ban even if we rule out malice completely.

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The FA is waiting for the ref's report: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11627783/tyrone-mings-stamp-on-nelson-oliveira-investigated-by-fa

It's a horrible incident - one of the worst I've seen on a football pitch in terms of the consequences. Only Mings will know the truth. But to stamp on one person's head may be regarded as misfortune. To do it twice looks like carelessness. 

You'd think a 10 match ban as a minimum.

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9 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

The FA is waiting for the ref's report: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11627783/tyrone-mings-stamp-on-nelson-oliveira-investigated-by-fa

It's a horrible incident - one of the worst I've seen on a football pitch in terms of the consequences. Only Mings will know the truth. But to stamp on one person's head may be regarded as misfortune. To do it twice looks like carelessness

You'd think a 10 match ban as a minimum.

thank you lady Bracknell 😂

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1 hour ago, Bosshogg said:

I was saying it in the sense that that is exactly what the authorities will say. He’ll get a small ban and that’s it. Barely mentioned in the press this morning as well. A side note to a 0-0 game. 

I really hope Reading kick up a stink about it. I doubt the punishment will fit the crime but something should be done. 

Seem to remeber a similar situation when Leeds' keeper clearly deliberately scraped his studs down Holmes' face.  I'm not saying the two incidents are the same in terms of severity, but I was very surprised more wasn't made of this incident.

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10 minutes ago, LazloW said:

Seem to remeber a similar situation when Leeds' keeper clearly deliberately scraped his studs down Holmes' face.  I'm not saying the two incidents are the same in terms of severity, but I was very surprised more wasn't made of this incident.

That was nasty, but I think it got lost in the spying stuff and was deemed sour grapes because we'd been well beaten, but it was totally a nasty one done just clever enough to plead accident.

 

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I suppose the Fa will have to consider as well, they have a duty to punish based on actions rather than consiqences - if he'd made more glancing contact the poor blokes face wouldn't have been so messed up, but the action was there. But like with most FA things, it'll be the horrible picture of oliviaras face that determines the ban.

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18 minutes ago, cosmic said:

People are pointing to his reaction to prove his innocence. Looked genuinely concerned. 

I would be too if I’d intentionally stamped on a guy’s head and he came off worse than intended.

"Last time I stamped on someone's head he just got up and got angry with me. This guy's covered in blood! Oh jeeez."

 

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I’m sure anyone who was conscious of possibility standing on an persons face would maybe try to roll, fall anything than risk actually stepping on their face. 

Its not as Olivera was moving around on the floor. Mings shows no evidence of thinking about where he would be best landing his foot.

If he had, he would of landed awkwardly himself trying to avoid any contact.

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