Dethorn Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Pace versus positioning is interesting and it does not matter until..... you come up against someone who is quicker than you then positioning should win out however that is not going to happen often to Tobermory that boy can shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Smyth_18 said: You said you only needed to see him try to defend once to realise Forsyth is a better full back, that's not based on his career. So it confirmed the consensus then. Pedantic ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Smyth_18 said: Jesus Christ is this how quickly we make a decision on a player these days? Some people make their decisions faster than that. Before the season starts, even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I think the reason Forsyth gets so much stick is because it's the simple things, that are more noticeable to the spectator, that he does wrong so often. How many times do you see him have a 10 yard pass intercepted or put a cross into row z when he is completely unchallenged?! Personally I like him. Think he has many more positives than negatives and is a solid Championship left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: I think the reason Forsyth gets so much stick is because it's the simple things, that are more noticeable to the spectator, that he does wrong so often. How many times do you see him have a 10 yard pass intercepted or put a cross into row z when he is completely unchallenged?! Personally I like him. Think he has many more positives than negatives and is a solid Championship left back. That’s precisely why he frustrates me so much, he can sometimes play a blinding cross like the on to Marriott, then two seconds later he gifts the opposition a chance through simply not concentrating on a basic pass! That said, given what I’ve seem of malone so far I can see why he’s in the team ahead of him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Tomori's pace is great and has got himself and teammates out of trouble more than once. He's got a decent pass and vision also. But, if you examined every goal conceded this season, you will Tomori has played a part in most of them. Sometimes not on his own, but most of the time had he'd been switched on then the goal wouldn't have been conceded. Just recently, Man U, Norwich, Brentford, QPR and Sheffield United. All of those games we conceded a goal in which he was at least partly to blame. Having said that he has played well in those games and has contributed to some fine results. The question is whether Davies' inclusion would have resulted in a better set of results, that we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I actually think that in a high-press and high-defensive line system it might be better to have fast centre-halves who recover well rather than players who read the game well. It doesn't matter how well you read the game if the system leaves you exposed to a simple clipped ball in behind. To be fair to Fozzy, a lot of his passes are high-risk, driven, curling forward passes either into the channel (like to Mount in the build up to our first) or in-behind between full-back and centre-half. His crossing is normally early and curled which is a difficult technique to pull off but devastating when executed correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Everyone needs a scapegoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 39 minutes ago, ram59 said: Tomori's pace is great and has got himself and teammates out of trouble more than once. He's got a decent pass and vision also. But, if you examined every goal conceded this season, you will Tomori has played a part in most of them. Sometimes not on his own, but most of the time had he'd been switched on then the goal wouldn't have been conceded. Just recently, Man U, Norwich, Brentford, QPR and Sheffield United. All of those games we conceded a goal in which he was at least partly to blame. Having said that he has played well in those games and has contributed to some fine results. The question is whether Davies' inclusion would have resulted in a better set of results, that we'll never know. See above re scapegoats. Was it you who proudly announced after the Leeds game that Tomori was worse than Clod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 There are numerous reasons that Fozzy gets so much stick - some folk just have to have a whinge, some like to infer that they know more than the manager and coaching staff, many simply fail to apply sensible metrics, ie. how does he compare to the bulk of LB's in the division and are my expectations realistic? While it's no surprise that folk critique player performances on a football forum, it does seem to me that he gets way more flak than deserved. The variants where he and Malone are concerned are where we are looking to break down teams and are enjoying a significant advantage in terms of possession, Malone might be considered by some to be a more attacking option. Conversely, in the bulk of games, where the principal remit is defence, Fozzy is a better all-round option, to my mind at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 6 hours ago, Duracell said: Ew ew ew ew ewwwww Boro have conceded only 7 and we have to go up there and play them in their empty red version Pride Park ar 12:30pm before it’s properly warmed up in the arctic circle. We’ll lose 0-0. To be fair they built theirs first. But your right it's certainly empty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Defence is always going to get more stick. If someone scores against us, it's due to a mistake by us. If we score, it's never discussed in terms of defensive errors by the opposition. We're in the Championship and we have Championship standard (sometimes error prone) players. It's not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Forsyth isn't perfect by any stretch but he is better than Malone from what I have seen of the pair. Tomori and Keogh don't strike me as a pairing and neither is particulatly good in the air. However, neither player deserves to be dropped, Bogle is still learning and Davies is a class defender. Putting Tomori at RB might be an oversimplification. Statistically we have done okay but that's also due to the fifth member of the defence. Lampard will probably stick to the current set until results dictate a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I'm just happy we have some strength in depth. Don't doubt for a minute that Davies, Wisdom and Malone (who knows maybe even Pearce) will get a fair share of games. Call me crazy, but if there was a sudden bout of food poisoning tonight and he had to line up with that back four it wouldn't unduly worry me (before people go rabid, I'm not suggesting that would be a better back 4, or Pearce should get in over the other three CBs or that Wisdom and Malone are necessarily better than Bogle and Fozzy, just that they are all decent to good Championship players!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t'oldu Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 There are times when Fozzy seems to be bear of little brain and his passes are too easily cut out....... and then he puts a perfect cross in to set up a goal....... like on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Isn’t it also worth pointing out that quality left-backs are typically harder to find because there are far more right-footed people in the world than left-footed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Not understood the calls to tinker either. Looking for problems there imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 19 minutes ago, Alpha said: Not understood the calls to tinker either. Looking for problems there imo Five at the back’s nothing more than a fad that people want to get in on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 7 hours ago, Smyth_18 said: Richard Keogh is a stud. COMMENT OF THE DAY (Made me larf anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 After the little Fozzy love in FL starts malone at LB ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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