therealhantsram Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Well this is ironic isn't it... Peter Marples training company 3aaa has gone into liquidation amid claims of fraud and a police investigation. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/3aaa-administration-apprenticeships-jobs-2099512 For those unaware, Marples over the last 18 months has been making public claims about how poorly Mel has been running DCFC. Perhaps people in glass houses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Please be carful making comments, he may still have the will and the way to take someone to court for slander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 What a shame for all those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 The article referred to a 6 week suspension but didn’t elaborate so there’s some sort of back story to this. but any business built on a government revenue stream is by definition high risk as governments change priorities all the time. not that it makes it any less upsetting and worrying for the staff and apprentices. And directors if any wrongdoing is proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 5 hours ago, HantsRam said: The article referred to a 6 week suspension but didn’t elaborate so there’s some sort of back story to this. Quote The first ESFA investigation into 3aaa, carried out in 2016 by auditing firm KPMG, found dozens of success rate “overclaims”. Despite the findings, the DfE awarded the provider £7 million in growth that year. https://feweek.co.uk/2018/10/11/dfe-refer-3aaa-to-police-following-investigation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: https://feweek.co.uk/2018/10/11/dfe-refer-3aaa-to-police-following-investigation/ Cheers RoyMac5, I followed some of the links back to the original KPMG report and have started reading that. Nobody looks to come out with any credit. The report essentially states a few allegations that in a number of cases "funding was incorrectly obtained" and then on the basis of a sample test rates each of the allegations as RED....inferring a high likelihood of "proof". Tempering all of this with a line to the effect that "no evidence found of deliberate policy" in falsifying records - just that they didn't reflect reality but were used as the basis for the company getting government funding. Although what the government department was doing in INCREASING funding after they received the kpmg report is mind-boggling. Looks like shady dealing mixed with public sector incompetence to me...........but as usual, the innocent will suffer. The next usual step in these sorts of cases is to see if there is any claim against the company directors - be that for breaches of companies act (eg approving accounts that they knew would be based on incorrect records) or even I suppose fraud. All very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 20 odd years ago I used to work in the government dept responsible for dishing out the funds to these training providers. It was a shambles back then and it doesn't seem to have changed. We had targets of how much money we had to distribute, and the training providers had targets of how many outcomes they would achieve. Let's just say that "creativity" was an asset. Pretty much every year we'd have a provider go bust and a few people would get sacked for pretending it was all fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 What do 3aaa's actually do? aren't schools, colleges and employers the training providers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Sure I applied for a job with 3aaa recently. Suppose I should scrap that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 hours ago, RamNut said: What do 3aaa's actually do? aren't schools, colleges and employers the training providers? I never understood that either. Is at actually 9 a’s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 22 hours ago, RamNut said: What do 3aaa's actually do? aren't schools, colleges and employers the training providers? Precisely ! .. If a government of any colour wants there to be more apprentices and training then surely they should deal with employers. Much easier to control and likely to be a lot more effective than having middlemen taking a cut. Oooops this might be .... shhhhhh politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Derby training firm referred to police after trading ceases https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-45844051 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Peter Marples as also stepped down as chairman of Spencer Academy Trust. This trust run a number of schools in the Derby area. Hope the 3aaa's company had no involvement with the trust and the running of the schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Welcome to the world of directly funded education. Its a honey pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 15 hours ago, tinman said: Just look at Peter Marples Facebook Account. Wow, just did, he's one sour puss isn't he! He makes out him and Horton were the best ever owners of DCFC in our recent history, their businesses have both been in the news recently ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I think I've just worked out what the 3 as' stand for- Absolute Abysmal Accountancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 9 hours ago, RamNut said: Welcome to the world of directly funded education. Its a honey pot. There's a lot I'd like to say about schools that aren't under the control of their local authority but it would be censored as being political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Feel sorry for the 500 staff who’re at serious risk of being made redundant by this mess. If the potential sudden nature of job losses were at Rolls-Royce or Toyota it’d be all over the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 24 minutes ago, 1of4 said: There's a lot I'd like to say about schools that aren't under the control of their local authority but it would be censored as being political. Not necessarily. Unless you choose to make it political of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 On 13/10/2018 at 15:45, jono said: Precisely ! .. If a government of any colour wants there to be more apprentices and training then surely they should deal with employers. Much easier to control and likely to be a lot more effective than having middlemen taking a cut. Easier to control, and more effective? Probably right - but a massive overhead on staffing costs. In the 1970s that's pretty much how it worked (Manpower Services Commission) - then it was to all intents and purposes privatised in the 1980s and the mushroom farm of middleman "training providers" took hold. But on the upside, the Civil Service no longer had the staffing liabilities it took to run this. They just controlled the money tap that funded the whole shebang. The usual problem with privatisation in that for all the efficiencies, there are pockets of accountability that just fall down the cracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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