MackworthRamIsGod Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I think Mel purchased Derby County as a business man first and fan second. He bought Derby at a time we were on the up, all it took was a bit of investment and it was inevitable we were going up and with that would come a nice big windfall. The first season he threw big money at it (but small in comparison to promotion windfall) with 'big' signings like Johnson, Shackell, Butterfield to complement Ince, Hughes, Thorne and Martin...how could we not succeed. Along came Clement, Mac part 2, Pearson, Wassall and now Rowett. Rowett leaving I think rings huge alarm bells, claims of a good working relationship with Mel, his dream job at Derby, thrown away...why? I honestly think Mel realises his initial investment has proven fruitless, promotion is now a distant dream and the business man is limiting his damage by selling any asset we have, almost a diluted Fawaz. It really could have worked out for Mel and us fans, but I think what we are left with is an unravelling mess of a chairman trying to get his money back and a string of managers having to work under tight restrictions. Or...I could be completely wrong, completely ungrateful of the great work Mel has done for the club and I know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Yeah let's go with the last sentence and leave it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 Just now, EnigmaRam said: Yeah let's go with the last sentence and leave it there. Thank you for your considered thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 minute ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Thank you for your considered thoughts. Your most welcome mate ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 no, he has used to business acumen in his running of the club. In his IT businesses, I doubt he got hands-on with the software coding, he paid experts to do it, whereas here, he's pretended to understand the footballing business with his decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loweman2 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Lets face it he hasn't got a bloody clue what he is doing, well out of his depth in a business sense and started panicking the moment it didn't go to plan !!, in his other businesses he is used to leaving others to do the work whilst he reaps the rewards and attends monthly meetings to look at profits, running a football club there is no profit without success, he is just going to have to accept that or move on ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: I think Mel purchased Derby County as a business man first and fan second. He bought Derby at a time we were on the up, all it took was a bit of investment and it was inevitable we were going up and with that would come a nice big windfall. The first season he threw big money at it (but small in comparison to promotion windfall) with 'big' signings like Johnson, Shackell, Butterfield to complement Ince, Hughes, Thorne and Martin...how could we not succeed. Along came Clement, Mac part 2, Pearson, Wassall and now Rowett. Rowett leaving I think rings huge alarm bells, claims of a good working relationship with Mel, his dream job at Derby, thrown away...why? I honestly think Mel realises his initial investment has proven fruitless, promotion is now a distant dream and the business man is limiting his damage by selling any asset we have, almost a diluted Fawaz. It really could have worked out for Mel and us fans, but I think what we are left with is an unravelling mess of a chairman trying to get his money back and a string of managers having to work under tight restrictions. Or...I could be completely wrong, completely ungrateful of the great work Mel has done for the club and I know nothing. I know you have put me on ignore but you are right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 minute ago, curtains said: I know you have put me on ignore but you are right I haven't put you on ignore mate, I don't know how to put anyone on ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: I haven't put you on ignore mate, I don't know how to put anyone on ignore. Oh ok sorry must be getting paranoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 He bought us for £50m. He invested heavily in the academy and structure of the club and the facilities. This means that anything we'd be sold for in the prem wouldn't net him a massive amount of profit. Think about it, if you're worth near £600m would you risk £70m for a double your money profit at an extremely high risk? (His investment is close to £120m but I was ignoring the players as they'd be directly contributing towards promotion where as his other investment doesn't.) I think he did it with the best intentions but I think he needed us to be in the premier league to sustain it as £600m is not 'rich' for a decent football club owner anymore... Billionaires game these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irobinson Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, Moist One said: no, he has used to business acumen in his running of the club. In his IT businesses, I doubt he got hands-on with the software coding, he paid experts to do it, whereas here, he's pretended to understand the footballing business with his decisions. is Blackman and Butterfield a de-coding job!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Trouble is none of us really know Mels thoughts. I think sometimes he has different thoughts month to month. I don’t envy the guy really to be honest. Its not easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 What else ya gonna spend your money on if you're a big fan and your club looks like it's flying high and looking v pretty? He bought the club with some of his hard-earned readies like many of us would have done, is he even gonna miss £100m loss if he sold now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said: He bought us for £50m. He invested heavily in the academy and structure of the club and the facilities. This means that anything we'd be sold for in the prem wouldn't net him a massive amount of profit. Think about it, if you're worth near £600m would you risk £70m for a double your money profit at an extremely high risk? (His investment is close to £120m but I was ignoring the players as they'd be directly contributing towards promotion where as his other investment doesn't.) I think he did it with the best intentions but I think he needed us to be in the premier league to sustain it as £600m is not 'rich' for a decent football club owner anymore... Billionaires game these days. Most probably right and my opinion is most probs my wrong...I hope so anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, Moist One said: no, he has used to business acumen in his running of the club. In his IT businesses, I doubt he got hands-on with the software coding, he paid experts to do it, whereas here, he's pretended to understand the footballing business with his decisions. Exactly my words in another thread (Well words to that effect). Director of football or someone in charge who knows football. I love the fact he is a fan and willing to invest, but please take a back seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: What else ya gonna spend your money on if you're a big fan and your club looks like it's flying high and looking v pretty? He bought the club with some of his hard-earned readies like many of us would have done, is he even gonna miss £100m loss if he sold now? What many seem to forget is that prior to Mel we barely even challenged the top half of the table for 6 years. Now we moan about finishing 8th, 5th, 9th & 6th in the last 4 years. The club is debt-free and has first class facilities. Yes he's made some bad decisions (costing HIMSELF money, not the club) but overall we should be thankful to Mel in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Biggest mistakes have been backing managers too readily - especially Clement - and not managing SR correctly. The iPro deal wasn't too clever either. That said, the money we receive off the pitch is better than ever, RamsTV, investment in the academy and Pride Park... For me, the positives outweigh the negatives. So far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamLad1884 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 He's in a tough spot now unfortunately. Yes he made a real mess of things at first, spending out of our means, hiring and firing etc. However the use of Sam Rush didn't help. In all fairness to Mel we all thought Rush was the bee's knees until it came out in the media. It was a pretty big learning curve and he seems to have at least learnt from it. Of late he's made real amends though, the club is spending only roughly what they made from player sales and development of the infrastructure is there. Mel clearly intended to stand by Rowett this summer and give him time to work with this team. I'm going to reserve judgement now until a new manager is in. If he shows the same approach i.e. Giving time for any new manager to build, encouraging development and spending within their means than for me Mel has done everything in his power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I find it utterly ridiculous to question the owner's decisions regarding the purchase of individual players when all he has done is backed the manager's judgement with hard cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I agree he is a business man first, but I don't think for one minute he would deliberately see the club stripped and on a downward trajectory. If someone offered to buy the club from him tomorrow I think he would accept it, but whilst he is here he will at the very least do what needs to be done to keep us financially safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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