Alph Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 48 minutes ago, deanoakaram4life said: Don't come for a few years then. Football is a result s business and if we're top with 5 games to go next year, you and the rest of the Rowett out brigade will be gasping to get to pride park! Not me. It's negative kick and chase. I'll never be gasping to sit in traffic, stand in the cold, crawl out of a car park to see a team who leaves itself so much at the mercy of an opponent. I'll always support Derby at every game but no way will I look forward to watching games like most of these. You say it's a results business. It is. And you can get results playing attacking football with a young hungry team allowed to express themselves. It's not like Rowett has got any special results. This is our 3rd play off campaign since 2014 and in the other 2 we got more points in the season. And made the final in 1. It's not like Rowett guarantees results. I'm thinking for us to be top with 5 games to go we will have to be much much more inventive going forward. And that is kind of exactly what people are asking for. More skill in the way we attack. More positivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, Tim Bucktoo said: Us? Oh no. Automatic promotion I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North East Ram Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Dimmu said: Oh no. Automatic promotion I meant. Ooh, yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 11 hours ago, Sparkle said: What is abundantly clear to me is that we need someone to pass the football and someone to hold it up in advanced positions- we still own Martin who can do this - Vydra will be sold for the first decent bid - but surly we are not about to buy a completely injured winnall with what little money we will have We are completely about to buy a totally crocked Winnall. Probably with the Vydra money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanoakaram4life Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, Alpha said: Not me. It's negative kick and chase. I'll never be gasping to sit in traffic, stand in the cold, crawl out of a car park to see a team who leaves itself so much at the mercy of an opponent. I'll always support Derby at every game but no way will I look forward to watching games like most of these. You say it's a results business. It is. And you can get results playing attacking football with a young hungry team allowed to express themselves. It's not like Rowett has got any special results. This is our 3rd play off campaign since 2014 and in the other 2 we got more points in the season. And made the final in 1. It's not like Rowett guarantees results. I'm thinking for us to be top with 5 games to go we will have to be much much more inventive going forward. And that is kind of exactly what people are asking for. More skill in the way we attack. More positivity. How has it been all kick and chase this year? We've won 3-0 more than any team in the league this year.Surley that takes a bit of attacking nouce. Cant believe the amount of fans questioning Rowett. It's the same section of the fanbase that were getting on the players backs during the 14/15 season where we were 3-0 up against Brighton at half time. It's almost like some fans want us to f##k things up year upon year! Back a manager for once and buy into his idea! Burnley did with Dyche and they're now playing European football, whilst we are still squandering in the champ, debating weather we need an 8th manager in 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcfan1 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, deanoakaram4life said: How has it been all kick and chase this year? We've won 3-0 more than any team in the league this year.Surley that takes a bit of attacking nouce. Cant believe the amount of fans questioning Rowett. It's the same section of the fanbase that were getting on the players backs during the 14/15 season where we were 3-0 up against Brighton at half time. It's almost like some fans want us to f##k things up year upon year! Back a manager for once and buy into his idea! Burnley did with Dyche and they're now playing European football, whilst we are still squandering in the champ, debating weather we need an 8th manager in 5 years. I think this Rowett is negative is over-played. Truth is other than one season with McClaren, its all been average football. A better front 3 and we would score more often, to supplement a street-wise team and a solid defence- we will be all good to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 7 hours ago, deanoakaram4life said: How has it been all kick and chase this year? We've won 3-0 more than any team in the league this year.Surley that takes a bit of attacking nouce. Cant believe the amount of fans questioning Rowett. It's the same section of the fanbase that were getting on the players backs during the 14/15 season where we were 3-0 up against Brighton at half time. It's almost like some fans want us to f##k things up year upon year! Back a manager for once and buy into his idea! Burnley did with Dyche and they're now playing European football, whilst we are still squandering in the champ, debating weather we need an 8th manager in 5 years. It's not the same section of the fanbase. Not at all. No way You can use any team to prove an example of anything. For your Burnley there's a Swansea beating Valencia. For a Cardiff there's a Wolves etc etc And yes, we are still squandering in this division. Even playing this reactive football which relies on an opponent to do something so that we can attack. Like i said, people talk like this way guarantees results. Stick with it and we'll be promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Out: Bent, Shackell, Baird free Bryson and Nugent Nominal to cover paying their contracts up Martin £3m Keogh £1.5m Vydra £10-12m Blackman £1m I reckon that's around £9.5m saved in wages (with some fairly dodgy estimates) plus maybe £16m coming in. £5m taken straight away to offset some of the loss this season with £11m to spend on 3 players. Loans and under 23s to make up the rest of the short comings. Squad: GK (1) Carson Mitchell Roos RWB (1) Wisdom Anya Bogle CB (3) Davies Foz Pearce Huddlestone Hanson LWB (1) Anya Lowe Weimann CM (2) Thorne Huddlestone Johnson Butterfield Ledley Hanson Guy Elsnik AM (2) Lawrence Weimann Butterfield Thomas Elsnik CF (1) Jerome Winnall In: Striker - Hugill (west ham) loan ? Energetic CM to do Huddlestone's running - ? AM to force Lawrence and Weimann to up their game - Palmer (if it was an injury that kept him out of the team as Owen Bradley alluded to. If not then no point). Ohtzumer is leaving Walsall for free this summer also. Younger CB to learn from Davies - Liam Lindsay fee required LWB - ? 5 in, 9 out. No more than 3 permanent 'ins'. Would be happy to listen to offers for any of the CMs to free up extra wages. Would listen to a worthwhile offer for Anya but only if we make back what we spent as he's versatile which is crucial in a smaller squad and seems to have a good attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 19 hours ago, dcfcfan1 said: I think this Rowett is negative is over-played. Truth is other than one season with McClaren, its all been average football. A better front 3 and we would score more often, to supplement a street-wise team and a solid defence- we will be all good to go We scored 100 goals in 14/15 and averaged 600 passes a game, we were breathtaking that season as well until the injuries hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTrustTheDevilInside Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I haven’t been impressed with the ‘lets give youth a chance’ and ‘not signing players for their last pay cheque’ quotes and then doing the opposite but the one credit you have to give Rowett is he doesn’t sign players to make up the numbers. With the exception of Palmer which very much appears to be a last minute blunder when lookman fell through, all players have come in and played significant games and made an impact. Compared to the clough years falling out with his own shadow and some spells changing managers (mclaren was quite guilty of this at times) it’s nice to be looking at window and not wondering how to offload players we’ve just bought. Liam Dickinson and Michael Jacobs are excellent examples of players we continually chased to them not play and offload quickly after and the failed foreign imports of Camara and Albertosa im intrigued what Rowett will do to address the age issue he’s acknowledged (assuming he doesn’t u turn again). We haven’t seen him buy younger players yet and don’t really know what to expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 We came sixth this year and didn't play to our potential in a lot of games IMO. I don't think we need to rebuild. I think we need to buy a few younger players to complement the experience we have and be more positive in games. We need to have the 'balls' to gamble on occasions by being more attacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcumbrianram Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, 1967Ram said: We came sixth this year and didn't play to our potential in a lot of games IMO. I don't think we need to rebuild. I think we need to buy a few younger players to complement the experience we have and be more positive in games. We need to have the 'balls' to gamble on occasions by being more attacking. Well said that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superrams23 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 5 hours ago, IlsonDerby said: Out: Bent, Shackell, Baird free Bryson and Nugent Nominal to cover paying their contracts up Martin £3m Keogh £1.5m Vydra £10-12m Blackman £1m I reckon that's around £9.5m saved in wages (with some fairly dodgy estimates) plus maybe £16m coming in. £5m taken straight away to offset some of the loss this season with £11m to spend on 3 players. Loans and under 23s to make up the rest of the short comings. Squad: GK (1) Carson Mitchell Roos RWB (1) Wisdom Anya Bogle CB (3) Davies Foz Pearce Huddlestone Hanson LWB (1) Anya Lowe Weimann CM (2) Thorne Huddlestone Johnson Butterfield Ledley Hanson Guy Elsnik AM (2) Lawrence Weimann Butterfield Thomas Elsnik CF (1) Jerome Winnall In: Striker - Hugill (west ham) loan ? Energetic CM to do Huddlestone's running - ? AM to force Lawrence and Weimann to up their game - Palmer (if it was an injury that kept him out of the team as Owen Bradley alluded to. If not then no point). Ohtzumer is leaving Walsall for free this summer also. Younger CB to learn from Davies - Liam Lindsay fee required LWB - ? 5 in, 9 out. No more than 3 permanent 'ins'. Would be happy to listen to offers for any of the CMs to free up extra wages. Would listen to a worthwhile offer for Anya but only if we make back what we spent as he's versatile which is crucial in a smaller squad and seems to have a good attitude. If we stick with rowett football and stick with 5-2-3 sell (essentials) Chris martin - £3 million Vydra - £15 million Nudgent £250k Bryson - £1 million Blackman - £1 million Butterfield - £250k olson - £500k Realease: baird, shackel and bent This would bring in £21 million to spend and saving around £8,580,000 annual or £165,000 per week on wages And/or/maybe Huddlestone - £2 million johnson - £1.5 million Ledley - £1 million keogh - £1.5 million Davis - £2.5 million Anya - £1.5 million jerome - £500k Weimann - £1.5 million George Thorn - £500k bringing total to £33.5 million ans saving £16,952,000 annual or £326,000 per week on wages Now for the fun part who to bring in:) Essential Strikers : Alfredo morelos - £5 million and Dominic Calvert-lewin - loan Wingers: Harry wilson - £6 million and loan and patrick roberts loan Cost £11 million and wages around £3,432,000 or £66,000 per week And/or/maybe Midfield: Timothy fosu-mensah - loan Ryan Gauld - £500k Burnic - Loan RWB; George boldcock - £3 million LWB; Stephen Kingsley - £3 million CB: Ben gibson - around 10 million Cost around £27 million and around £7,592,000 annual or £146,000 per week in wages sooo my team would look like this Carson wisdom/hanson gibson/pearce forsyth boldcock/wisdom Kingsley/lowe Gauld/burnic fosu-mensah/hanson harry wilson/tom lawrence patrick roberts/elsnik alfredo morelos/Dominic Calvert-lewin Not only would we still have £6.5 million in the bank we would save more than £9 million on wages over the year not too mention this would be a young hungry squad average age about 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Ram Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 @superrams23 i presume this is the same Patrick Roberts that has just won the league with Celtic (who want to extend his loan) and that Fester & West Ham are after. Not a chance would Man City loan him to us he is far too good for this division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superrams23 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, G-Ram said: @superrams23 i presume this is the same Patrick Roberts that has just won the league with Celtic (who want to extend his loan) and that Fester & West Ham are after. Not a chance would Man City loan him to us he is far too good for this division why the very same i was unaware that westham wanted him tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Bloody hell. It begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelBlimp Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Given that Rowett has already stated his admiration for Klopp's Dortmund and their energetic pressing from midfield and a fluid front 3, how far away from that are we? As an explanation of 'Heavy Metal Football' take a read of this, I think it's relevant for what Gary is trying to do. https://www.quora.com/What-exactly-is-Heavy-Metal-Football-Borussia-Dortmund-plays-Jürgen-Klopps-heavy-metal-style-football Defence is sound, Wisdom works on the right but there's not enough energy in the middle or class in the front 3, excepting Lawrence i think. Weimann has the energy but not the class. Would the Peterborough pair fit into this? Would Lowe/Elsnik/Thomas? Does Vydra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 9 hours ago, superrams23 said: If we stick with rowett football and stick with 5-2-3 sell (essentials) Chris martin - £3 million Vydra - £15 million Nudgent £250k Bryson - £1 million Blackman - £1 million Butterfield - £250k olson - £500k Realease: baird, shackel and bent This would bring in £21 million to spend and saving around £8,580,000 annual or £165,000 per week on wages And/or/maybe Huddlestone - £2 million johnson - £1.5 million Ledley - £1 million keogh - £1.5 million Davis - £2.5 million Anya - £1.5 million jerome - £500k Weimann - £1.5 million George Thorn - £500k bringing total to £33.5 million ans saving £16,952,000 annual or £326,000 per week on wages Now for the fun part who to bring in:) Essential Strikers : Alfredo morelos - £5 million and Dominic Calvert-lewin - loan Wingers: Harry wilson - £6 million and loan and patrick roberts loan Cost £11 million and wages around £3,432,000 or £66,000 per week And/or/maybe Midfield: Timothy fosu-mensah - loan Ryan Gauld - £500k Burnic - Loan RWB; George boldcock - £3 million LWB; Stephen Kingsley - £3 million CB: Ben gibson - around 10 million Cost around £27 million and around £7,592,000 annual or £146,000 per week in wages sooo my team would look like this Carson wisdom/hanson gibson/pearce forsyth boldcock/wisdom Kingsley/lowe Gauld/burnic fosu-mensah/hanson harry wilson/tom lawrence patrick roberts/elsnik alfredo morelos/Dominic Calvert-lewin Not only would we still have £6.5 million in the bank we would save more than £9 million on wages over the year not too mention this would be a young hungry squad average age about 23 I disagree with the prices you're quoting by quite some distance. Wilson wouldn't be 6m Roberts wouldn't drop down to us. Boro wanted 30m for Gibson last season. I also think both strikers mentioned are not the type of forward needed for this system. They're not bullies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 11 hours ago, superrams23 said: If we stick with rowett football and stick with 5-2-3 sell (essentials) Chris martin - £3 million Vydra - £15 million Nudgent £250k Bryson - £1 million Blackman - £1 million Butterfield - £250k olson - £500k Realease: baird, shackel and bent This would bring in £21 million to spend and saving around £8,580,000 annual or £165,000 per week on wages And/or/maybe Huddlestone - £2 million johnson - £1.5 million Ledley - £1 million keogh - £1.5 million Davis - £2.5 million Anya - £1.5 million jerome - £500k Weimann - £1.5 million George Thorn - £500k bringing total to £33.5 million ans saving £16,952,000 annual or £326,000 per week on wages Now for the fun part who to bring in:) Essential Strikers : Alfredo morelos - £5 million and Dominic Calvert-lewin - loan Wingers: Harry wilson - £6 million and loan and patrick roberts loan Cost £11 million and wages around £3,432,000 or £66,000 per week And/or/maybe Midfield: Timothy fosu-mensah - loan Ryan Gauld - £500k Burnic - Loan RWB; George boldcock - £3 million LWB; Stephen Kingsley - £3 million CB: Ben gibson - around 10 million Cost around £27 million and around £7,592,000 annual or £146,000 per week in wages sooo my team would look like this Carson wisdom/hanson gibson/pearce forsyth boldcock/wisdom Kingsley/lowe Gauld/burnic fosu-mensah/hanson harry wilson/tom lawrence patrick roberts/elsnik alfredo morelos/Dominic Calvert-lewin Not only would we still have £6.5 million in the bank we would save more than £9 million on wages over the year not too mention this would be a young hungry squad average age about 23 Son! Time to come off that ******* playstation! I've told you 3 times tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joooools Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I think we need to seriously look at our scouting system. Some clubs seem to find amazing players at bargain basement prices. We just seem to look around the UK in lower divisions. Please get on a plane and start making contacts abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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