TuffLuff Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Not sure the relevance of this at the moment, but whilst other threads turn into bickering I thought I’d add this up for discussion. In the summer, the talk was the need to create a ‘plan b’, in sense a different way to attack teams. Rowett has done that, but made it into ‘a’. Which is good, teams for the most part have struggled with us doing that and we are on very good standing. The problem potentially is if teams begin to counter this in the second half of the season. I think there’s already that beginning to show itself and we could be looking at a similar problem. It’s interesting that I’ve seen people saying we need a younger Nugent (side note: isn’t that Winnall?), but I’d argue that’s maybe going to cause a problem we have had before once we struggle to break things down In effect we have made a new plan a, and still potentially not addressed the problem we have previously had. Its all hypothetical and I think our momentum from now will be important, but in just pondering on that there may be something long term we haven’t addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Something something, Chris Martin, something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Saul Pimpson said: Something something, Chris Martin, something. Lol,you are a wag Tuff has highlighted a problem that's going to occur now our new plan a is being sussed.. I sort of assumed(hoped),earlier in the season, that gr was going to use winnall and the wardrobe as a plan b/away team but it didn't happen. I wonder if we get some nippy midfielders in this month whether he will take up that option and fashion a 433 or 442 plan b side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, TuffLuff said: It’s interesting that I’ve seen people saying we need a younger Nugent (side note: isn’t that Winnall?), Surely not? Winall is more similar to something something Chris Martin than Nugent. A young pacey striker is something we've not had since Izale McLeod. A young pacey striker that can actually score is something we've not had since erm..help me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Don't talks of Plan A's, plan B's and plan C's get boring. What we just need to be is better with our specific game plan than the opposition is at their own game plan for the said game in question. If that happens we win. Simples. Why has football changed so much over the years to talk about this theoretical football plan side of things? Its boring. Go out there, put the effort in, put the commitment in, be smarter and better and then we will be fine. If we have better players, that will happen. If we don't have better players, that won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, StivePesley said: Surely not? Winall is more similar to something something Chris Martin than Nugent. A young pacey striker is something we've not had since Izale McLeod. A young pacey striker that can actually score is something we've not had since erm..help me? Something something Chris Martin! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Saul Pimpson said: Something something, Chris Martin, something. Ha, I was very careful with my wording I was really hoping to pull away from just being a Martin thread, it’s something I’ve noticed and I’m not saying he’s the answer but I wouldn’t say just buying more players similar to what we have is necessarily the answer either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, rammieib said: Don't talks of Plan A's, plan B's and plan C's get boring. What we just need to be is better with our specific game plan than the opposition is at their own game plan for the said game in question. If that happens we win. Simples. Why has football changed so much over the years to talk about this theoretical football plan side of things? Its boring. Go out there, put the effort in, put the commitment in, be smarter and better and then we will be fine. If we have better players, that will happen. If we don't have better players, that won't happen. Kids in the park,jumpers for goalposts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, rammieib said: Go out there, put the effort in, put the commitment in, be smarter and better and then we will be fine. If we have better players, that will happen. If we don't have better players, that won't happen. @David could just post that statement on the forum front page and then lock all the forums. It would save us all a lot of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I'm of the opinion that if your Plan A is good enough that's all you need, I reckon Rowett thinks the same. To say your Plan A has been found out suggests that it was somehow revolutionary and different, but eventually teams learn to deal with it. Don't think any of our Plan A's have been such, just a case of losing key team members. If Rowett does strengthen this window I'd guess it will be more of what we have ie replacement for Vydra who actually is a no10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 We haven't needed a Plan B yet, so I don't understand how people have come to the conclusion GR doesn't have one. He might not have one. I'm just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alph Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 You should always stick to what you're good at. You're not going to get better results by trying things you're bad at. Everyone loses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsFan10 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Different plans don't necessarily mean different formations. Playing Johnson outwide away or against Villa at home made us play a very different style to when we play Lawrence there against poorer sides. Previously, we've just been 4-3-3 with Martin, and if Martin got injured or people countered it we were rubbish. Now we have the personnel for 2 or 3 plans. I'd also argue having Wisdom, Baird, Keogh, Davies, Forsyth and Olson all on at the same time at the end away at Ipswich proves we have a fair few plans if worse comes to worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 44 minutes ago, SaintRam said: We haven't needed a Plan B yet, so I don't understand how people have come to the conclusion GR doesn't have one. He might not have one. I'm just saying. It’s not a conclusion, in all honesty it wouldn’t surprise me if he did. Its more of a ponder upon what I’ve seen people saying this last week being different to the summer and just seeing where people’s thoughts are with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Plan B is a load of ***** and impossible. The best you can do is Plan A(1), Plan A(2) etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, RamsFan10 said: Different plans don't necessarily mean different formations. Playing Johnson outwide away or against Villa at home made us play a very different style to when we play Lawrence there against poorer sides. Previously, we've just been 4-3-3 with Martin, and if Martin got injured or people countered it we were rubbish. Now we have the personnel for 2 or 3 plans. I'd also argue having Wisdom, Baird, Keogh, Davies, Forsyth and Olson all on at the same time at the end away at Ipswich proves we have a fair few plans if worse comes to worse. Wasn’t Johnson put there when Lawrence was injured? Point is that it’s not been a tactical ploy but a necessity that worked? I do agree about us having enough personnel and partially why I wouldn’t sell certain players over bringing in players who are similar to what we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, SaintRam said: We haven't needed a Plan B yet, so I don't understand how people have come to the conclusion GR doesn't have one. He might not have one. I'm just saying. You sound like the Nottm Forest interviewer on Warburtons last interview! Plan A is only to do the same thing against every opposition because its "about what we do!". Stubborn fools like McClaren and Arsen Wenger fall into this category Having a plan B C , and so on, is adapting your tactics each game depending on the opposition he faces, and horses for courses with regards to team selection against said opposition. Something GR has done since day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsFan10 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, TuffLuff said: Wasn’t Johnson put there when Lawrence was injured? Point is that it’s not been a tactical ploy but a necessity that worked? I do agree about us having enough personnel and partially why I wouldn’t sell certain players over bringing in players who are similar to what we have Think its has been forced at times but chosen in others, there's certainly been times when we've had one of Weimann/Russell/Lawrence available on the bench but Rowett has chosen Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSox Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, StivePesley said: A young pacey striker that can actually score is something we've not had since erm..help me? Matej Vydra, maybe? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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