Millenniumram Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Everyone putting Russell in their teams He's been completely pants in pre-season and was pretty pants last season. Think people are massively overestimating how much he improves with his and Martin's understanding. Half the forum are still stuck in 2013 and I don't think that's gonna change... Ill get slaughtered for it, but I've always thought Weimann the better player if used right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Everyone putting Russell in their teams He's been completely pants in pre-season and was pretty pants last season. Think people are massively overestimating how much he improves with his and Martin's understanding. I'd probably have Anya and Weimann as the wingers at the moment with Bennett closely breathing down their necks. Russell's been given chance after chance but all I saw last season were people making excuses for him. First it was because we weren't playing 4-3-3, then it was because Martin wasn't here, then it was because he plays better on the right, then it was because Thorne wasn't available so he had no-one picking out his runs, then it was because Olsson was useless behind him so he had to do his defensive work for him, then it was because only McClaren gets the best out of him(despite him being terrible under McClaren last season). Someone else deserves a chance for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Everyone putting Russell in their teams He's been completely pants in pre-season and was pretty pants last season. Think people are massively overestimating how much he improves with his and Martin's understanding. He hasn't played with Martin yet in pre-season, I don't think? He's probably sulking! Martin makes all those around him look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: How I feel when people say this about our Johnny.... I don't feel great saying it, but he doesn't have a right to the first team just because we like him. I'd say he's 4th choice winger at the moment with what we've seen from Bennett, Weimann and Anya. And we're supposedly signing one or two more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 My view is that Russell is a massive confidence player,currently one step from being prolific again(he's certainly remained a excellent supplier of others goals,just not his own).....and will step up to the mark. Bennet's totally unproven,wiemanns,to be honest,a poor man's Russell and Anya,whilst very talented and active,has neither shown the ability to be a great assister or goal scorer in a Derby shirt to date.... As such,at the moment,I still think Russell has the greatest potential at the moment as our best winger (I'm sure we will be bringing in better competition before the start of the season) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: My view is that Russell is a massive confidence player,currently one step from being prolific again(he's certainly remained a excellent supplier of others goals,just not his own).....and will step up to the mark. Bennet's totally unproven,wiemanns,to be honest,a poor man's Russell and Anya,whilst very talented and active,has neither shown the ability to be a great assister or goal scorer in a Derby shirt to date.... As such,at the moment,I still think Russell has the greatest potential at the moment as our best winger (I'm sure we will be bringing in better competition before the start of the season) Pretty much this tbh, hence the reason we are supposedly looking at Lawrence/Jota etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshfieldRam Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 From Preseason so far, i'd like to see something like this Carson Wisdom Keogh Davies Forsyth Johnsonn Huddlestone Weimann Nugent Bennett Martin I do think Russell, Vydra and Anya will be in and around the first team come the Sunderland game. I think Vydra will flourish in the 10 role this season too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 27 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: My view is that Russell is a massive confidence player,currently one step from being prolific again(he's certainly remained a excellent supplier of others goals,just not his own).....and will step up to the mark. Bennet's totally unproven,wiemanns,to be honest,a poor man's Russell and Anya,whilst very talented and active,has neither shown the ability to be a great assister or goal scorer in a Derby shirt to date.... As such,at the moment,I still think Russell has the greatest potential at the moment as our best winger (I'm sure we will be bringing in better competition before the start of the season) I'd still get rid of him. He marks himself out of games, lacks any footballing brain, and only managed 1 more goal than Blackman last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 My view is that Russell will put a shift in in different types of games. Many of our wide players and non holding central midfield players only perform in certain types of games, which are played out a certain way and either have or dont have space to work in. Russell seems to be more effectiove when other players arent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 hours ago, jagerbob said: My view is that Russell will put a shift in in different types of games. Many of our wide players and non holding central midfield players only perform in certain types of games, which are played out a certain way and either have or dont have space to work in. Russell seems to be more effectiove when other players arent. I believe that's an illusion. Russell has pretty much played at the same (mediocre-poor) level for a long time now. So when others around him play terribly he looks like the best player. Technically he is, but he's not playing any better than he usually does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 So far in one season Russell has carried on from last season so Weimann would be playing so far... only fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I'd prob go Carson Wisdom Keogh Davies Fozzy (if fit) Huddlestone Butters/Johnson Bennett Nuge Anya/wiemann Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 First half Wisdom was pants against Macclesfield with Baird much better in the second half. Forsyth likewise had terrible distribution with Olsson improving that position second half. Elsnik was much better than Johnson & Butterfield in the holding role.Bennett also was very good. Based purely on that I would currently go with: .............................................Carson............................................... Baird.....................Keogh.........................Davies.................Olsson ......................Huddlestone..........................Elsnik......................... ........Bennett..........................Vydra.........................Weimann...... ................................................Martin........................................... Still giving Vydra the benefit of the doubt at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumblemumble Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Carson Wisdom Keogh Davies Forsyth Huddlestone Johnson Anya Martin Russell Nugent Subs: Mitchell, Baird, Rawson, Hanson, Bryson, Bennett, Vydra Hopefully (and its a big hope), these are being shipped out: Olsson, Pearce, Butterfield, Weimann, Blackman, Bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Agree that the team lineup will be a massive statement. We'll get to really see for sure what Norbert Meier thinks is his best eleven as Die roten Teufel prepare for their 2. Bundesliga campaign. About time Die Laut pulled their finger out and escaped midtable mediocrity after finishing 13th last season. Pah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 5 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: First half Wisdom was pants against Macclesfield with Baird much better in the second half. Forsyth likewise had terrible distribution with Olsson improving that position second half. Elsnik was much better than Johnson & Butterfield in the holding role.Bennett also was very good. Based purely on that I would currently go with: .............................................Carson............................................... Baird.....................Keogh.........................Davies.................Olsson ......................Huddlestone..........................Elsnik......................... ........Bennett..........................Vydra.........................Weimann...... ................................................Martin........................................... Still giving Vydra the benefit of the doubt at the moment. But not wisdom or fozzy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Carson Wisdom - Keogh - Davies - Forsyth Huddlestone - Johnson Bennett - Nugent - Anya Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogbad van 50 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 7 hours ago, mumblemumble said: Carson Wisdom Keogh Davies Forsyth Huddlestone Johnson Anya Martin Russell Nugent Subs: Mitchell, Baird, Rawson, Hanson, Bryson, Bennett, Vydra Hopefully (and its a big hope), these are being shipped out: Olsson, Pearce, Butterfield, Weimann, Blackman, Bent. Don't think that's too far off the starting line up myself! Huddlestone's signing gives Thorne extra recovery time and reduces the chance of him coming back too early.Baird ,Bent and Pearce contracts expire next June so we'll just have to be patient in seeing them go.I'd also prefer to see Elsnik on the bench instead of Rawson.As for Russell,please sign a "proper winger" Gary!!!.Russell came to us as a striker and,for some reason,has always been played as a winger.He hasn't got a trick or genuine pace and he's survived this long due to determination overcoming his lack of talent but,sadly,he's fading fast.Can't fault him for effort but we need better than him to get us up.Good transfer window so far IMO but stiil waiting for that "top,top quality replacement"for Ince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 More than happy with Russell on the right wing but looking this week for the announcement of a left winger definitely.....I'll be more than content with our squad then and quietly confident for the latter part of this season as it all begins to gel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I so want Johnnie to find his form before it's too late, there is a really good footballer in him, we'll rue the day we let him go, i will anyway, my favourite Ram, one of the few i'd pay to see, a real nice character, come on Johnnie, prove the doubters wrong.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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