minesahartington Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 "Curtis is an intelligent player and a real leader" according to Hull fans. He also captained Hull when Dawson was unavailable. Has Gary found us a proper skipper at last... will this allow Keogh to concentrate on what he is good at and leave the motivation, control and pitch management to CD.... I for one hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I think he may have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 The Mirror included a line that said he was brought in to partner Keogh and it's believed Keogh will keep the armband. Obviously they could be wrong or things could change, but I think that info came from the same journalist who broke the 500k get out clause so he's probably heard something we haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, Cam the Ram said: The Mirror included a line that said he was brought in to partner Keogh and it's believed Keogh will keep the armband. Obviously they could be wrong or things could change, but I think that info came from the same journalist who broke the 500k get out clause so he's probably heard something we haven't. I hope that is true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Having the armband doesn't suddenly impact your ability to play football. It's just an armband for crying out loud. Those who are vocal will remain vocal, armband or not, and those who aren't would stay that way. Also, If you're a leader in the dressing room somebody else wearing armband doesn't suddenly impact your ability to lead. Keogh is probably club captain because he is likely one of the most sociable, respected and likeable players at the club. Not because he is some 'leader of men' some on here associate how a captain should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 There is no correlation between Keogh's form improving because he was stripped of the captaincy. There is a correlation between Keogh improving defensively and Paul Clement setting us up to defend. He's been the same since Clement was here, even with the captaincy... I'd argue he was better last season than the year before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 26 minutes ago, cannable said: There is no correlation between Keogh's form improving because he was stripped of the captaincy. Then it shouldn't matter if Davies becomes our new captain - change is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Then it shouldn't matter if Davies becomes our new captain - change is wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, cannable said: 23 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Then it shouldn't matter if Davies becomes our new captain - change is needed. GR says change is needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I think fans tend to make a lot out of the armband, apart from a few duties and the status thing, I can only imagine its a thing if you have mardarse egomaniacs sulking because that dont get to wear it. I dont think Johnson has stopped trying to be a leader because he's not the skipper. Anyway, I heard Rowett found a whole tin of john west ones at the back of the cupboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: Having the armband doesn't suddenly impact your ability to play football. It's just an armband for crying out loud. Those who are vocal will remain vocal, armband or not, and those who aren't would stay that way. Also, If you're a leader in the dressing room somebody else wearing armband doesn't suddenly impact your ability to lead. Keogh is probably club captain because he is likely one of the most sociable, respected and likeable players at the club. Not because he is some 'leader of men' some on here associate how a captain should be. Every. Single. Summer. The magic armband debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: Having the armband doesn't suddenly impact your ability to play football. It's just an armband for crying out loud. Those who are vocal will remain vocal, armband or not, and those who aren't would stay that way. Also, If you're a leader in the dressing room somebody else wearing armband doesn't suddenly impact your ability to lead. Keogh is probably club captain because he is likely one of the most sociable, respected and likeable players at the club. Not because he is some 'leader of men' some on here associate how a captain should be. Fed up of the misguided criticism of Keogh being captain. His performances don't change because he's wearing an armband! It always has to be something with a certain section of fans. He can't bloody win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minesahartington Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 i have lost count of the number of posts/phone ins/comments that we have not had a true leader on the pitch. I like Keogh, he is not the problem. No one else consistently steps up to the plate, Johnson included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 This is the second time I've reposted this and I will continue to do so every time someone talks about Keogh's performances being in someway related to wearing a piece of cloth. It's simply not worth the time arguing with some people over this topic so I'm going for the time honoured tradition of simply drowning out the opposition by shouting the same thing over and over again. "The whole captaincy issue is so overrated. Keogh doesn't play worse when he has the armband, he plays worse when his defensive partner's form drops or when the defence is constantly being chopped and changed. It's the same for every defender in the country. "Besides, being captain doesn't really mean that much. All they really do i lead the team out, take photos with the kids and speak to the press more often than the other players. Doesn't stop other players from leading on the pitch. Someone rightly pointed out that we have loads of captains in our squad; Pearce (Reading), Bryson (Kilmarnock), Shackell (Burnley), Johnson (Norwich), Baird (Fulham/West Brom I think). Them not having the armband shouldn't stop them exerting their influence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 44 minutes ago, PodgeyRam said: "Besides, being captain doesn't really mean that much. All they really do i lead the team out, take photos with the kids and speak to the press more often than the other players. Doesn't stop other players from leading on the pitch. Someone rightly pointed out that we have loads of captains in our squad; Pearce (Reading), Bryson (Kilmarnock), Shackell (Burnley), Johnson (Norwich), Baird (Fulham/West Brom I think). Them not having the armband shouldn't stop them exerting their influence." Seriously? You need a rethink. Do you think England would have won the World Cup without the brilliant captaincy of Martin Johnson? There needs to be one voice, not many. That voice on the pitch comes from the captain. If we had a decent one you'd notice the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag zig Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 24 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Seriously? You need a rethink. Do you think England would have won the World Cup without the brilliant captaincy of Martin Johnson? There needs to be one voice, not many. That voice on the pitch comes from the captain. If we had a decent one you'd notice the difference. Yeah your name sake, Dave Mackay or err Robbie Savage (cough). I think that sums up the different qualities you can imagine successful captains hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minesahartington Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 i will share with you an incident during one of the final home games. i take and give a lift home to my son and his mate. His mate is a ball boy who sits behund one if the goals. on the way home he told us that during a period when derby were under presure and giving the ball away almost resulting in a goal Pearce scresmed at the midfielders to get on it and track back. Keogh responded with a rebuke to pearce.is words were "shut the f#@k up, i am the captain and i will tell them" Perhaps he felt his position is under threat or maybe does not encourage leaders on the pitch.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeedsCityRam Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: Seriously? You need a rethink. Do you think England would have won the World Cup without the brilliant captaincy of Martin Johnson? There needs to be one voice, not many. That voice on the pitch comes from the captain. If we had a decent one you'd notice the difference. That England team probably disproves your point if anything. We had Dallaglio (captain before his drugs indiscretion), Richard Hill (who was unbelievably influential) & chippy characters like Dawson & Greenwood who cajoled & encouraged (particularly the forwards) a lot more verbally than Johnson. Like all good sides, everyone took responsibility for leading at various points. One man alone can't make up for a lack of character elsewhere in the team & hence I agree with PodgeyRam that the actual position of captain isn't really that relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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