California Ram. Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Staring at that chart of who started what game in the Derby programme, did a quick bit of calculation on average league points per start this season. List as below for those who've played 5 or more games. Lowe - 3 points per game (15/5) Bent - 2 points per game (26/13) Johnson - 1.94 (35/18) Baird - 1.92 (25/13) Pearce - 1.9 (38/20) Russell - 1.85 (30/16) Ince - 1.82 (42/23) Hughes - 1.80 (38/21) 8 wins and a draw in his last 9 starts Butterfield - 1.77 (39/23) Carson - 1.59 (43/27) Keogh - 1.59 (43/27) Olson - 1.5 (21/14) Christie - 1.25 (20/16) Vydra - 1.08 (13/12) Anya - 1 (10/10) Bryson - 0.76 (10/13) Shackell - 0.71 (5/7) Given our normal formation - that would mean a team of Carson - Baird - Lowe - Pearce - Keogh - Johnson - Hughes - Butterfield - Russell - Bent - Ince, which is probably not so far off reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo jones Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Nerd rating of 100% ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Way too much time on your hands.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
California Ram. Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 long train journey home post game and reading that programme cover to cover doesn't get you past East Midlands parkway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertRam Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Sounds good - but don't pack up your day job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 53 minutes ago, singaporeram said: Staring at that chart of who started what game in the Derby programme, did a quick bit of calculation on average league points per start this season. List as below for those who've played 5 or more games. Lowe - 3 points per game (15/5) Bent - 2 points per game (26/13) Johnson - 1.94 (35/18) Baird - 1.92 (25/13) Pearce - 1.9 (38/20) Russell - 1.85 (30/16) Ince - 1.82 (42/23) Hughes - 1.80 (38/21) 8 wins and a draw in his last 9 starts Butterfield - 1.77 (39/23) Carson - 1.59 (43/27) Keogh - 1.59 (43/27) Olson - 1.5 (21/14) Christie - 1.25 (20/16) Vydra - 1.08 (13/12) Anya - 1 (10/10) Bryson - 0.76 (10/13) Shackell - 0.71 (5/7) Given our normal formation - that would mean a team of Carson - Baird - Lowe - Pearce - Keogh - Johnson - Hughes - Butterfield - Russell - Bent - Ince, which is probably not so far off reality. Of course it's utter tosh. Takes no account of who else played, which games were home and which were away and who the opposition were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKRam Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, singaporeram said: Staring at that chart of who started what game in the Derby programme, did a quick bit of calculation on average league points per start this season. List as below for those who've played 5 or more games. Lowe - 3 points per game (15/5) Bent - 2 points per game (26/13) Johnson - 1.94 (35/18) Baird - 1.92 (25/13) Pearce - 1.9 (38/20) Russell - 1.85 (30/16) Ince - 1.82 (42/23) Hughes - 1.80 (38/21) 8 wins and a draw in his last 9 starts Butterfield - 1.77 (39/23) Carson - 1.59 (43/27) Keogh - 1.59 (43/27) Olson - 1.5 (21/14) Christie - 1.25 (20/16) Vydra - 1.08 (13/12) Anya - 1 (10/10) Bryson - 0.76 (10/13) Shackell - 0.71 (5/7) Given our normal formation - that would mean a team of Carson - Baird - Lowe - Pearce - Keogh - Johnson - Hughes - Butterfield - Russell - Bent - Ince, which is probably not so far off reality. As some of the first replies show Singapore, when you kick off a thread you become a Scott Carson....... there to be shot at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 There are some facts in their which are quite eye opening, regardless. Such as the fact we've picked up 26 pts in the 13 games Bent has played, vs 13 points gained in Vydras one less game. It's certainly not utter tosh being based on cold hard facts, rather an over simplistic way of looking at things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, singaporeram said: long train journey home post game and reading that programme cover to cover doesn't get you past East Midlands parkway Can you get a train all the way to Singapore? Trans Siberian railway? Bitch of a journey, would have thought there was plenty of time to read the programme. Night games must be bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
California Ram. Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 bloody sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admira Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Great stats, interesting to see the relative places of Pearce and Shackell in particular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, reveldevil said: There are some facts in their which are quite eye opening, regardless. Such as the fact we've picked up 26 pts in the 13 games Bent has played, vs 13 points gained in Vydras one less game. It's certainly not utter tosh being based on cold hard facts, rather an over simplistic way of looking at things. True revel but then the team might also include the manager as part of the mix so what would the stats look like for say Hughes 12 games prior to Mac2 dont you love stats I knew it all along ! Nothing to do with Pearson, 442, low moral ... Nope, all down to Vydra the scoundrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, reveldevil said: There are some facts in their which are quite eye opening, regardless. Such as the fact we've picked up 26 pts in the 13 games Bent has played, vs 13 points gained in Vydras one less game. It's certainly not utter tosh being based on cold hard facts, rather an over simplistic way of looking at things. Might be cold hard "facts" and interesting but in isolation they don't really tell us anything. I'm not saying Vydra is as good as Bent but these figures don't prove a thing. Who were the games against? Which were at home and which were away? Who else played in those specific games and how well did they play (I.e. Is it all Vydra's fault that the points return in those games were less?) how well did the opposition play? There are far too many unknown variables to draw any real conclusion. The stats suggest that if Bent had started instead of Vydra then we would have picked up more points. That may be true but we simply don't know. Same goes for the Shackell/Pearce comparison (by the way, I much prefer Pearce, I'm just trying to prove a point) although the stats have even less value as you are comparing 20 starts for Pearce against just 7 for Shackell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: Might be cold hard "facts" and interesting but in isolation they don't really tell us anything. I'm not saying Vydra is as good as Bent but these figures don't prove a thing. Who were the games against? Which were at home and which were away? Who else played in those specific games and how well did they play (I.e. Is it all Vydra's fault that the points return in those games were less?) how well did the opposition play? There are far too many unknown variables to draw any real conclusion. The stats suggest that if Bent had started instead of Vydra then we would have picked up more points. That may be true but we simply don't know. Same goes for the Shackell/Pearce comparison (by the way, I much prefer Pearce, I'm just trying to prove a point) although the stats have even less value as you are comparing 20 starts for Pearce against just 7 for Shackell. Obviously stats need context, only a fool would take them at face value, but they are the facts nonetheless, and therefore not utter tosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Guys, I'm guessing this is offered as a talking point and not a fully-fledged statistical analysis! That said, if Max Lowe started every game, we'd clearly never lose. Ever..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raminphilippines Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 It looks like we need to have Max Lowe on the pitch, even if he is injured we could just sit him on a chair on the edge of the penalty area as our lucky charm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 7 hours ago, Tamworthram said: Of course it's utter tosh. Takes no account of who else played, which games were home and which were away and who the opposition were. Given a large enough set the other factors will even out. The problem is that by definition we don't have a large enough set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 10 hours ago, Angry Ram said: Can you get a train all the way to Singapore? Trans Siberian railway? Bitch of a journey, would have thought there was plenty of time to read the programme. Night games must be bugger. Taking that railway would definitely be a bitch considering it passes through Russia and connects Moscow and Vladivostok. Clue is in the name. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 37 minutes ago, BathRam72 said: Taking that railway would definitely be a bitch considering it passes through Russia and connects Moscow and Vladivostok. Clue is in the name. lol Yeah but it's going that way.. You can get a bus from Vladivostok to Singapore, the number 23 I believe. Too many changes on other routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I think 5 games is not enough to do these kind of stats. Make it six. Yours, Bent fan club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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