Ninos Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 So you give our de facto leader and star defender a break versus West Brom, Shacks comes in does well versus an aerial bombardment. Then at Leeds you let Shackell keep the spot. Raised eyebrows from the Pearce admirers. We lose 0-1 on a player free in the box. I'd like to think AP would have been there. Was it an objectionable decision to essentially be dropped after you being rested when you haven't put a foot wrong? Will he be reinstated next game? Will the dropping impacthis morale? What do others think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Paramount that he needs to be reinstated next game . You can see why mac did it and personally I wouldn't want to have told shacks he was dropped after his performance against WBA. Might have been the easy choice to drop Alex Pearce due to his nature . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Shacks is as good a centre half as Pearce, they just have different qualities. Pearce should think himself lucky he missed the last match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 We did lose 3-0 last time he played. Not blaming him just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alpha said: We did lose 3-0 last time he played. Not blaming him just saying. You're right. Maybe we would have lost by more if AP had come back in. I'm not saying we would and I would prefer to see him back. Same as Alpha, just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 21 minutes ago, Ninos said: So you give our de facto leader and star defender a break versus West Brom, Shacks comes in does well versus an aerial bombardment. Then at Leeds you let Shackell keep the spot. Raised eyebrows from the Pearce admirers. We lose 0-1 on a player free in the box. I'd like to think AP would have been there. Was it an objectionable decision to essentially be dropped after you being rested when you haven't put a foot wrong? Will he be reinstated next game? Will the dropping impacthis morale? What do others think? Watch the goal. Bradley Johnson loses his man. Shackell marks his. I'm not Shackell's biggest fan, he can't pass further than Keogh, the left back, or the holding midfielder. Which, would be fine, but it happens so slowly that it gets us in trouble when we want to play out from the back. But Shackell or Pearce, it wouldn't matter in terms of that goal, as its not his man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Shackell deserved to keep his place but it probably should have been at left back because he has played many a season there for Norwich and we needed someone there not a right footed reserve midfielder who was hideously exposed - yes we got away with it at WBA ( again hideously exposed) Pearce will be back but there is nothing wrong with shackell's defending but none of them are franz Beckenbauer with the ball at their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Someone told during the match that Leeds had scored from corners in their last 3 games before us. With how well Shackell did against WBA with their aerial bombardment and the fact we conceded against Norwich from a cross, with Oliviera standing in between Pearce and Keogh and I can see the idea behind having Shackell in for the Leeds game. As with @Animal is a Ram I am far from Shackell's biggest fan, but it wouldn't have made much difference for the goal. However, I do think it would have helped our ball retention slightly, as we would have been able to move the ball quicker from the back, instead of going Keogh to Sheackell, back and forth, to Baird to Keogh to Shackell to Hanson to their player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil62uk Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 35 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Shacks is as good a centre half as Pearce, they just have different qualities. Pearce should think himself lucky he missed the last match! oh for a centre half of the quality of your username Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Well I sat here after the game, closed my eyes and replayed the set piece in my head with Pearce playing, he cleared the ball away with a weak header which landed to the feet of Rob Green who flicked the ball up, turned and hit a Andy Carroll style bicycle kick into the top corner. It was an unbelieveable goal, what Rob Green was doing I'll never know, I can only assume he forgot we haven't played the second half yet so went up for the last minute glory. Sadly I kept by virtual virtual reality headset on and straight after kick off Pearce went in 2 footed against Wood, ref sent him off, several players had to drag him off the pitch where Shackell was waiting, Pearce took a running kick and smashed Shackell so hard in the balls he fell back and wiped out the subs bench. I must have virtually visualised an issue between the pair where they don't get on, a similar relationship to Ince and Martin if you like. Wasnt a happy ending, Pearce had an additional 5 match ban and £1.2m fine which saw him leave the club to pay off, went to Shanghai United as he was offered 800k per week. I'm glad McClaren started Shackell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 We have 3 very good centre backs. As much as I love Pearce I didn't have a problem with Shackell coming in or rotating them. I think the CB position is the least of our worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeedsRam1999 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I think if we want to play out from the back, as we tried against Leeds we need someone with better range and confidence on the ball, and that is Pearce IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 19 minutes ago, David said: Well I sat here after the game, closed my eyes and replayed the set piece in my head with Pearce playing, he cleared the ball away with a weak header which landed to the feet of Rob Green who flicked the ball up, turned and hit a Andy Carroll style bicycle kick into the top corner. It was an unbelieveable goal, what Rob Green was doing I'll never know, I can only assume he forgot we haven't played the second half yet so went up for the last minute glory. Sadly I kept by virtual virtual reality headset on and straight after kick off Pearce went in 2 footed against Wood, ref sent him off, several players had to drag him off the pitch where Shackell was waiting, Pearce took a running kick and smashed Shackell so hard in the balls he fell back and wiped out the subs bench. I must have virtually visualised an issue between the pair where they don't get on, a similar relationship to Ince and Martin if you like. Wasnt a happy ending, Pearce had an additional 5 match ban and £1.2m fine which saw him leave the club to pay off, went to Shanghai United as he was offered 800k per week. I'm glad McClaren started Shackell. NURSE! What he's having, please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth's left foot Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 SM is the manager, he is paid to make decisions which by and large have worked this season. we are back seat drivers blessed with hindsight, some of whom rattle their sabre's a lot louder when we lose as oppposed to winning. On to the next game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: NURSE! What he's having, please 2 slices of toast and a cuppa tea coming right up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 33 minutes ago, David said: Well I sat here after the game, closed my eyes and replayed the set piece in my head with Pearce playing, he cleared the ball away with a weak header which landed to the feet of Rob Green who flicked the ball up, turned and hit a Andy Carroll style bicycle kick into the top corner. It was an unbelieveable goal, what Rob Green was doing I'll never know, I can only assume he forgot we haven't played the second half yet so went up for the last minute glory. Sadly I kept by virtual virtual reality headset on and straight after kick off Pearce went in 2 footed against Wood, ref sent him off, several players had to drag him off the pitch where Shackell was waiting, Pearce took a running kick and smashed Shackell so hard in the balls he fell back and wiped out the subs bench. I must have virtually visualised an issue between the pair where they don't get on, a similar relationship to Ince and Martin if you like. Wasnt a happy ending, Pearce had an additional 5 match ban and £1.2m fine which saw him leave the club to pay off, went to Shanghai United as he was offered 800k per week. I'm glad McClaren started Shackell. Any footage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Ninos said: So you give our de facto leader and star defender a break versus West Brom, Shacks comes in does well versus an aerial bombardment. Then at Leeds you let Shackell keep the spot. Raised eyebrows from the Pearce admirers. We lose 0-1 on a player free in the box. I'd like to think AP would have been there. Was it an objectionable decision to essentially be dropped after you being rested when you haven't put a foot wrong? Will he be reinstated next game? Will the dropping impacthis morale? What do others think? Got to blame someone - might as well be the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, David said: 2 slices of toast and a cuppa tea coming right up Cheers, probably be cold by the time it gets here though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 46 minutes ago, David said: Well I sat here after the game, closed my eyes and replayed the set piece in my head with Pearce playing, he cleared the ball away with a weak header which landed to the feet of Rob Green who flicked the ball up, turned and hit a Andy Carroll style bicycle kick into the top corner. It was an unbelieveable goal, what Rob Green was doing I'll never know, I can only assume he forgot we haven't played the second half yet so went up for the last minute glory. Sadly I kept by virtual virtual reality headset on and straight after kick off Pearce went in 2 footed against Wood, ref sent him off, several players had to drag him off the pitch where Shackell was waiting, Pearce took a running kick and smashed Shackell so hard in the balls he fell back and wiped out the subs bench. I must have virtually visualised an issue between the pair where they don't get on, a similar relationship to Ince and Martin if you like. Wasnt a happy ending, Pearce had an additional 5 match ban and £1.2m fine which saw him leave the club to pay off, went to Shanghai United as he was offered 800k per week. I'm glad McClaren started Shackell. Is that the match report from the Daily Sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Silly to break up the Keogh/Pearce partnership, irrelevant of how well Shackell played at WBA. Don't know why we've not tried Shackell at left back. If we going to persist with Baird & Hanson short-term then we should switch young Hanson to RB and the experienced Baird to LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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