brady1993 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 26 minutes ago, valleyram said: Aye great signing 12 appearances a season but I will give u he's a good player He started 32 games last year...... Also are you just going to ignore the rest of my post ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritty Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 The role of a Director of football (and related titles) differs from club to club. But I reckon it is to: Run the scouting network and provide information to the manager on potential targets according to the needs specified by the manager Execute on transfer deals once targets agreed (i.e. negotiate with selling club and get thenm over the line) Find new clubs for players the manager doesn't want and get good value for them Ensure contracts structured sensibly (i.e. sell on clauses and all that) What the DoF doesn't do (or rather what Evans didn't do in his last spell) is to choose the players to sign. The manager chooses on the basis of the recommendations of the DOF and the Scouts. On the basis of the above I think Evans did a pretty phenomenal job actually. He managed to get Thorne through the door when WBA were playing serious hardball; likewise Ince with Hull, likewise Albentosa whose club didn't want him to go. McClaren might have chosen the targets but Evans was like a dog with a bone getting them over the door. And then when Albentosa didn't work out he managed to structure a deal which meant we made around 100% profit on a player who barely played 8 games for us. In terms of being hits and misses, I would argue that nearly all of the players played a part: Dawkins, Thorne, Bamford, Lngard, Ince, Christie, Bent (let's not forget his 1 in 2 goal ratio for the first year he was here getting some vital points),Ibe, Carson, Pearce (who has turned out ok this year), Shackell (our most consistent performer who for reasons I can't fathom is now getting stick). Butterfield and Johnson were bought in response to Hughes and Bryson being injured. Not Evans choice to buy them rather than recruit from within. But having identified them, Johnson started like a house on fire and was a firm favourite and nobody thought he was a bad signing in the first few months. There are some who didn't make it but I reckon he did ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Blimey we're back in 2013, who the **** is bobby Zamora seems a bit of a **** player to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 What a strange club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 43 minutes ago, brady1993 said: He started 32 games last year...... Also are you just going to ignore the rest of my post ? Exactly what I was going to say, 34 out of 46 games last season he played a part in, not bad coming back from a serious injury- there were always gonna be a few niggles, like there will be this season for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 21 minutes ago, feisty said: ...On the basis of the above I think Evans did a pretty phenomenal job actually. He managed to get Thorne through the door when WBA were playing serious hardball; likewise Ince with Hull, likewise Albentosa whose club didn't want him to go. McClaren might have chosen the targets but Evans was like a dog with a bone getting them over the door. And then when Albentosa didn't work out he managed to structure a deal which meant we made around 100% profit on a player who barely played 8 games for us. In terms of being hits and misses, I would argue that nearly all of the players played a part: Dawkins, Thorne, Bamford, Lngard, Ince, Christie, Bent (let's not forget his 1 in 2 goal ratio for the first year he was here getting some vital points),Ibe, Carson, Pearce (who has turned out ok this year), Shackell (our most consistent performer who for reasons I can't fathom is now getting stick). Butterfield and Johnson were bought in response to Hughes and Bryson being injured. Not Evans choice to buy them rather than recruit from within. But having identified them, Johnson started like a house on fire and was a firm favourite and nobody thought he was a bad signing in the first few months. There are some who didn't make it but I reckon he did ok. That makes me feel a lot more positive about his reappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Nothing against chris evans but he couldn't even set up a scouting department last time. Most of the much trumpetted scouting appointments were gone again with a few months and we were left with CE and joe mcclaren as head of u21 recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 26 minutes ago, feisty said: The role of a Director of football (and related titles) differs from club to club. But I reckon it is to: Run the scouting network and provide information to the manager on potential targets according to the needs specified by the manager Execute on transfer deals once targets agreed (i.e. negotiate with selling club and get thenm over the line) Find new clubs for players the manager doesn't want and get good value for them Ensure contracts structured sensibly (i.e. sell on clauses and all that) What the DoF doesn't do (or rather what Evans didn't do in his last spell) is to choose the players to sign. The manager chooses on the basis of the recommendations of the DOF and the Scouts. On the basis of the above I think Evans did a pretty phenomenal job actually. He managed to get Thorne through the door when WBA were playing serious hardball; likewise Ince with Hull, likewise Albentosa whose club didn't want him to go. McClaren might have chosen the targets but Evans was like a dog with a bone getting them over the door. And then when Albentosa didn't work out he managed to structure a deal which meant we made around 100% profit on a player who barely played 8 games for us. In terms of being hits and misses, I would argue that nearly all of the players played a part: Dawkins, Thorne, Bamford, Lngard, Ince, Christie, Bent (let's not forget his 1 in 2 goal ratio for the first year he was here getting some vital points),Ibe, Carson, Pearce (who has turned out ok this year), Shackell (our most consistent performer who for reasons I can't fathom is now getting stick). Butterfield and Johnson were bought in response to Hughes and Bryson being injured. Not Evans choice to buy them rather than recruit from within. But having identified them, Johnson started like a house on fire and was a firm favourite and nobody thought he was a bad signing in the first few months. There are some who didn't make it but I reckon he did ok Love the positivity in this post. Makes you look at his appointment in a different light. Nicely done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I have a list of ten candidates that would be better than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, Gypsy Ram said: I have a list of ten candidates that would be better than him. Are these 10 candidates from roaming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 On 26/10/2016 at 11:11, cosmic said: Mel did suggest players were relunctant to join us in the summer. I'll leave you two to split hairs on whether a negative, booing fan base constitutes a 'mess' or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 2 hours ago, valleyram said: Name 1 as good a signing as Keogh or Bryson who between them have won 4 poty awards out the last 5 and there are plenty of them Yawn ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, RamNut said: What a strange club. i think the opposite..this is a ambitious club trying its hardest to put sustainable systems in place that look to the future..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: i think the opposite..this is a ambitious club trying its hardest to put sustainable systems in place that look to the future..... If we are looking into the future why are we appointing people who have failed us in the past? Our recruitment has been rubbish for years now... I can't believe we are going back and appointing Chris Evans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 hours ago, feisty said: The role of a Director of football (and related titles) differs from club to club. But I reckon it is to: Run the scouting network and provide information to the manager on potential targets according to the needs specified by the manager Execute on transfer deals once targets agreed (i.e. negotiate with selling club and get thenm over the line) Find new clubs for players the manager doesn't want and get good value for them Ensure contracts structured sensibly (i.e. sell on clauses and all that) What the DoF doesn't do (or rather what Evans didn't do in his last spell) is to choose the players to sign. The manager chooses on the basis of the recommendations of the DOF and the Scouts. On the basis of the above I think Evans did a pretty phenomenal job actually. He managed to get Thorne through the door when WBA were playing serious hardball; likewise Ince with Hull, likewise Albentosa whose club didn't want him to go. McClaren might have chosen the targets but Evans was like a dog with a bone getting them over the door. And then when Albentosa didn't work out he managed to structure a deal which meant we made around 100% profit on a player who barely played 8 games for us. In terms of being hits and misses, I would argue that nearly all of the players played a part: Dawkins, Thorne, Bamford, Lngard, Ince, Christie, Bent (let's not forget his 1 in 2 goal ratio for the first year he was here getting some vital points),Ibe, Carson, Pearce (who has turned out ok this year), Shackell (our most consistent performer who for reasons I can't fathom is now getting stick). Butterfield and Johnson were bought in response to Hughes and Bryson being injured. Not Evans choice to buy them rather than recruit from within. But having identified them, Johnson started like a house on fire and was a firm favourite and nobody thought he was a bad signing in the first few months. There are some who didn't make it but I reckon he did ok Chris Evans left the club in February... Albentosa left in the Summer so I don't think he can take credit for getting him off the books. Dawkins and thorne were signed before chris Evans took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, PistoldPete2 said: Chris Evans left the club in February... Albentosa left in the Summer so I don't think he can take credit for getting him off the books. Dawkins and thorne were signed before chris Evans took over. Dawkins was Thorne wasn't, Evans arrived in November when Thorne came on loan in the January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 7 hours ago, RamsPolls said: Officially announced by RD. Absolute joke of a club.. I despair. What's the betting we have the 2013/14 bleedin kit as well next season... Desperate people running the club, clutching at straws. Next time you lot go for breakfast, I wanna be there.. Better tell them to hide the sharp objects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby blood Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 He made a few good additions, mostly the loan players who came in, but we signed a fair few not so good, this is a strange appointment, but if Mac wanted him then fair enough, he is the manager after all, just HOPE everything works out and we can start winning football matches again, that's what we will all want, so I will be getting behind the club, as always, so let's hope we all turn the Ipro into a cauldron of noise on Saturday and roar the lads onto victory, who ever is at our club I will back 100 percent.Once a ram always a Ram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritty Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 And evans put the clause in the loan contract for Albentosa ensuring we would get a good fee when he eventually moved on. ok; he ended up signing elsewhere but still at same fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritty Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I do think some of the reaction here is bordering on hysterical. The guy doesn't choose the players, the manager does. He helps source targets and then executes when manager decides who he wants to a budget set by the chairman. And while some players have not been a success, others have been fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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