Guest Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 40 minutes ago, curtains said: You are falling into the trap that you know better than other posters with you're opinion on their posts Nope I don't pretend to know anything, that's the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 It's accurate to say that for people like myself (who go to mainly away games with a sprinkling of home), that we may lack personally observed data. We won't lack an opinion though and we do have minds so can choose our sources and supplement with stats, clips or the mellifluous Jeff Stelling. Whether any of the tripe I come out with is worthy of consideration by others is for them to judge. I don't take it personally if others disagree with my views and accept that I may at times be generalising from relatively little data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 My mum used my season ticket last night because I'm fed up of taking a day off work to travel up from London mid-week, not getting home til 1am and being shattered at work... Only to see a dire game of football (always seems to happen)... I'm essentially trying to become a half fan... Being a Derby fan is way too painful... Will we, won't we... Trying to keep hope alive and then the crushing disappointment of failure... On a slightly less gloomy note... Everyone's opinion is worth exactly one opinion... They're all worth exactly the same... Some might be 'better informed' but they aren't worth any more than any other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgoodspeak Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I get sick of all this "are you a proper fan" BS. If someone supports Derby, they're a brother (or sister). That's it. I don't care whether they've even been to a game or not. How is it measured? Pick any, all or none of the following: 1. Your family supported Derby and you were brought up the same. 2. You went to your first game when you were in single digit years. 3. You're a season ticket holder / you have been for 1/3/5/10/20 years. 4. You go to away games. 5. You go to all away games. 6. You have DCFC pyjamas. 7. You have a Ramsplayer subscription. 8. Your season ticket costs £x more than someone else. 9. You saw Kevin Hector play. 10. You've got a Urinal tile from the Baseball Ground. It doesn't matter. You're Derby. Sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 You can have an opinion no matter how many games you go to, but that is all it is, an opinion. I stand and watch the same game as the 2 blokes next to me and our opinions will always differ about certain things that happen during the game even though we are seeing it from the same angle, at the same speed and as biased Derby fans. Obviously I am always right and they are wrong, but they are allowed that opinion, even if they are half fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, ossieram said: You can have an opinion no matter how many games you go to, but that is all it is, an opinion. I stand and watch the same game as the 2 blokes next to me and our opinions will always differ about certain things that happen during the game even though we are seeing it from the same angle, at the same speed and as biased Derby fans. Obviously I am always right and they are wrong, but they are allowed that opinion, even if they are half fans. Some of the people who sit around me I have to assume are watching a different game to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I've supported The Rams since a very cold, blustery Boxing Day in 1986 and in all that time I've never been a season ticket holder. This is mainly down to the fact that my Mum & Dad couldn't afford it when I was a kid and as soon as I was old enough to get one for myself I was playing 3 games a weekend so didn't have the time. Now I've stopped playing and could afford one myself I have a lad of my own, who I look after all weekend due to the Mrs working Sat/Sun. On average I get to about 5 games a season and obviously I watch the games on TV. I only ever comment on match threads when I've actually seen the game in full but will gladly provide my opinion on goals for & against from highlights. If anybody thinks that makes me a half fan can f00k right off!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 15 minutes ago, ramsbottom said: I've supported The Rams since a very cold, blustery Boxing Day in 1986 and in all that time I've never been a season ticket holder. This is mainly down to the fact that my Mum & Dad couldn't afford it when I was a kid and as soon as I was old enough to get one for myself I was playing 3 games a weekend so didn't have the time. Now I've stopped playing and could afford one myself I have a lad of my own, who I look after all weekend due to the Mrs working Sat/Sun. On average I get to about 5 games a season and obviously I watch the games on TV. I only ever comment on match threads when I've actually seen the game in full but will gladly provide my opinion on goals for & against from highlights. If anybody thinks that makes me a half fan can f00k right off!!! That's me fooked off then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon_Grooves Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I had season tickets for a few back to back seasons in the late 90s and early 00s but i rarely go to matches now. Does this mean im not as much as a fan as i used to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 3 hours ago, Daveo said: I love these kind of discussions. Stick the kettle on because this will be a long one. You will have season ticket holders take a pop at others opinions, did you even go to the game? quiet time for you! and that's ok, I do get it. I totally understand whilst you're sat at home you can't really have a full on view of the game through the words of Ed Dawes. BUT...... And here is where it get's interesting because the same season ticket holders will then discuss the best teams in the Championship, they will write signings off before they've pulled on a Derby shirt, they will declare our midfield to be the best in the league or Boro's. How do they come to such opinions when they could only have seen them at least once by now this season if we have played X team at home or they went to the away games? Oh away games, the away games they listen to the radio like the rest of us peasants, following Twitter and then lay into the team if we don't win, sell Martin, change formation, do this, do that, boo him, screw that......but did you even go to the game? Hypocrites. Anyone been in the South Stand? you will have seen theses kind of fans, the fans that come up the stairs 5 minutes into the first half, staggering up the stairs slurring away, bumping their knuckles on the steps as they go up. The same ones that come charging down the stairs on 35 minutes to get another watered down Carlsberg as it's been 40 minutes without any alcohol. I would love to know what their opinion from the game was and how much they actually remember of it. We also have the fans that I'm sure only attend games now for the likes, retweets and YouTube views, the fans that spend the entire game with a phone up in the air recording, ready to catch that goal. You will see one online already of Shackell's goal, I half love and half hate these videos, seeing the fans celebrate as it goes in from the stands but then questioning why, why are you sat there with your phone out the entire game for social media glory. No wonder the atmosphere is also flat! You know what the difference is between the Baseball Ground and the iPro? it's not acoustics, it's mobile phones. Now I have also been a season ticket holder in the North Stand, I've watched games from all the stands in the ground now and you can not see everything whilst at the game. If you are sat in the North Stand you will not see if a player is offside or not, you will not see if the defender got the ball before the man. If you say you can you are a liar or have a pair of binoculars. The West and East if you are near the halfway line, you will have a better overall view of the game, I still maintain you will struggle to call a foul or offside accurately but you get a far better view of the whole game, not just one half than either end of the pitch. Being a season ticket holder does not guarantee you have a superior opinion on the game or incidents from the game. Boys and girls this is 2016 and we have the internet, what a glorious invention it is as well. On the internet you will find a little website called Rams Player and for just £5pm you can watch the full 90, all be it from a single camera angle just a couple of days later. Fans sat at home across the country and abroad are not totally clueless, opinions are not based on just tweets and radio commentary, we and I include myself as the chairman of the armchair dcfc fans group are fully aware of what is going on the pitch.....just a couple of days later. Midweek games SSN show the goals going in so we get that instant replay of the goals where we also have the ability to rewind and view again, weekend games the short video of chances and goals are on Sky Sports within the hour, again with the ability to rewind and watch again before you've had chance to stick the kettle on. Yes you can have an opinion if your sat at home in Grimsby or on a beach in Florida, yes you can and don't be afraid to air it. This forum was not built for a season ticket holder only love in, you do not need to swipe your card to login, you do not have to keep quiet fearing of speaking up as you may be speaking more sense that Wally or went to the game. And season ticket holders looking down on others that may have family or working commitments, others that are not in the same financial position to afford a season ticket or go to every away game, fans that have disabilities preventing them from getting to games or are unable due to the ridiculous train times. Count yourself lucky, enjoy the football, soak it up because it's ******* brilliant this sport but don't think for a second that you are any more of a fan than iRam sat in Brighton, Muespach sunbathing in Florida, CumbrianRam swimming in Carlisle or Daveo that never get's round to his driving test and has to rely on his missus to get to games because he's a lazy git. We're all Derby County fans, full fans, all with our own unique circumstances so next time you ask did you even go to the game bro, you sir are a fool. Off for my morning poo now. Plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malagaram Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I am thinking of becoming a Cardiff fan,come on you Bluebirds But only for tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 4 hours ago, curtains said: How many have we drawn is also matter of fact Nothing to do with Chris Martin but I didn't rate his performance last night right or wrong For what it's worth my opinion is Clement got it wrong last night and the players looked lost in that system of 4-2-3-1 . His substitution didn't make sense ie bringing one midfielder on and taking another off Wow here's a first....I agree with Curtains! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 While I do agree that I don't think that was the right system for the players, and if they had turned up we probably wouldn't have seen the most coherent performance... but I also agree with Clement in that if most players fail at the fundamentals so disastrously then tactics are irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsmini Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 4 hours ago, Daveo said: Anyone been in the South Stand? you will have seen theses kind of fans, the fans that come up the stairs 5 minutes into the first half, staggering up the stairs slurring away, bumping their knuckles on the steps as they go up. The same ones that come charging down the stairs on 35 minutes to get another watered down Carlsberg as it's been 40 minutes without any alcohol. I would love to know what their opinion from the game was and how much they actually remember of it. Why I do agree with this to a point. It's amazing how many stay in the concours drinking and watching the screens. I don't understand why. I'm a season ticket holder in the south stand, been a supporter since the mid 1960's or so. The only drink I have in the ground is a Bovril to warm me up!! Like many I work shifts so can't get to every game.but only miss about 3 home games. Therefore to some my opinion is not important as I can't do every game. but I'm still a season ticket holder. I thought most of the players last night were total garbage especially one of them up front. But the guy behind me has a totally different opinion and always see's the game different to me. So his opinions are different to mine. Who is right? I dont know and I really dont care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carra Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 No, a fan is a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halifaxram Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Ah, opinions, the stuff of all good forums. What makes a real fan/half fan? Someone who goes to every home game, and lives in Derby area, or someone, like me, who probably does fifteen home games a season, but has a 200mile round trip for each? We all have to support in our own ways, and do the best we can within the constraints of our own circumstances. The guys that jetted in from the other side of the world for the play-off final probably get as emotionally involved as those who can turn up every week. I have followed Derby since the mid sixties, and there were quite a few years when I couldn't come at all due to family and work commitments but I still hung on the radio hoping for glad tidings and a lift for the week ahead. As to last night, I thought the coach got it wrong, and it was clear from the first few minutes that two in midfield were going to be over-run by four. I was increasingly disbelieving, the longer he let it go on, and more so when he brought off Johnson for Hendrick, and continued to play the same system through to the end. Even our cast-iron defence ended up looking panicky and unsure because of the yawning hole in front of them. For the last half hour it almost appeared that we had four guys goal hanging, a big space with Butterfield racing round like a man possessed trying plug the gaps, and a defence who were being pulled out of shape because they were also trying to cover the defensive midfield hole. Anyway rant over, and for what its worth, I don't think you can have a real opinion unless you see the game for yourself. After all, you wouldn't form an opinion on a piece of music, or a film, on the basis of what someone else said about it. Still be there on Saturday though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Any more silly threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 not sure if it has been mentioned, I am too much of a half fan to read all the posts, but you can go to every single game there is and your opinions can be so far off simply because you havent got a clue about football....I could give you an example on here but fear I would get banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 1 minute ago, MuespachRam said: not sure if it has been mentioned, I am too much of a half fan to read all the posts, but you can go to every single game there is and your opinions can be so far off simply because you havent got a clue about football....I could give you an example on here but fear I would get banned. Don't be scared....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I don't like this half fan rubbish but I have to admit I cannot stand seeing people saying "X was anonymous! I didn't hear them say his name much on Radio Derby". This normally gets thrown at Hendrick. Do you really listen out for what names you hear often instead of what they're actually telling you about the player's performance? Do you keep a tally? "Well Keogh was my MOTM because I heard his name 86 times, but I only heard Martin's name 10 times. I know he scored a hattrick and everything but they didn't say his name often enough...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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