Posh Ram Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 He's been rubbish. He's clearly got the technical ability and he works hard. He just doesn't look like he has a footballing brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFc Dyycheee Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Johnny Russell has also been very poor lately. Awful when he came on today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 The time has come to drop TI got to agree, he's not at the races at present and we look a much more organised team without him. Sad to say it because he has the attributes to be one of our best players, but it's just not happening for him or us right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Just now, DcFc Dyycheee said: Johnny Russell has also been very poor lately. Awful when he came on today. Johnny seems to have developed a unique concept of dribbling whereby he knocks the ball at pace straight into the shins of whoever happens to be standing straight in front of him. Difficult to believe hes picking that up on the training ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Ince has been poor for a while now Russell has lost his good form from earlier in the season Weimann has been brilliant defensively but quite wasteful going forward in recent games Would it be greedy to ask for a 4th winger to be signed in January? (An actual winger, not a converted striker) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 The problem isn't Ince. Martin, Weimann and Russell were equally awful. We have so many midfielders sitting deep, that the front 3 all get very isolated. Ince picks up the ball, and instantly has 3 men on him and ends up losing it, as do the other forwards. We're so concerned about not conceding that all of the passing and movement of the last 2 seasons has gone out of the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Who do you bring in? Our wingers have not exactly been ripping it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIMBAUD Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 That's the problem isn't it? All of our wide players have had their moments but none of them are playing really well at the moment. Also we seemed to get in each other's way in midfield. We do look very solid at the back though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 30 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: The problem isn't Ince. Martin, Weimann and Russell were equally awful. We have so many midfielders sitting deep, that the front 3 all get very isolated. Ince picks up the ball, and instantly has 3 men on him and ends up losing it, as do the other forwards. We're so concerned about not conceding that all of the passing and movement of the last 2 seasons has gone out of the window. Good summary DJW. Clement could usefully work on making sure that one of the midfielders/full backs busts a gut to give a simple first time out ball option to ince/martin. By dithering/dribbling around with 2/3 markers we are completely failing to exploit the mismatch/free-man that must exist somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Meltdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketteringram Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 19 minutes ago, Tombo said: Meltdown Wait until next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeTownRams Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 It's true - our wide players have lost form big time. Ince hasn't delivered for quite a while in all truth and would normally be dropped. But Johnny has turned from world beater to hopeless in a month: can't understand y. Love Wieman's energy and effort but his ball skills aren't great - check out all the poor misplaced passes in Hull game for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Is this what we have come to...we drop 2 points (a valuable away point in my eyes) and suddenly we want to drop players and replace them by signing someone else? God help us if we ever get to the prem, we will be signing 11 new players every week. Ince will come good, he is a quality player, maybe he does require a couple of games on the bench, but I feel when he plays well, so do Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 although Ince was non existent today, i think we missed a link up player like Hendrick or Bryson, Butterfield and Johnson seem to play in the same places with Thorne sitting deep. The running isnt there with these too, we're all playing far too deep. Same against Forest and exactly the opposite of the Hull game. but I'd bring Dawkins in, he's got to be as good as what we have at the minute. Maybe one of the yoof team are knocking on the door before January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 It's obvious that Clement tactics doesn't fit him as well as Mac's did. Last season, when he was effective, his overall position must've been 10-15 yards higher! And as running ain't his strength at all, IMO it is clear that he won't produce as much. Only time he has played very well this season, has been those rare minutes as a attacking midfielder. Role, which suits his game much better than current, strict and quite defensive role as a inside forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 19 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said: Is this what we have come to...we drop 2 points (a valuable away point in my eyes) and suddenly we want to drop players and replace them by signing someone else? God help us if we ever get to the prem, we will be signing 11 new players every week. Ince will come good, he is a quality player, maybe he does require a couple of games on the bench, but I feel when he plays well, so do Derby. Well I was the person suggesting we sign another winger so I'm assuming this was aimed towards my post. I'm not suggesting signing a winger to come straight in and replace Ince, I'm suggesting signing one so we have a 4th option. Near enough every position has numerous players to come in should our starter be in poor form, but with the wingers if 2 of them are in a poor run of form (as Ince and Russell are now) then we're forced to stick with them because we only have 1 as a backup. There's obviously the likes of Dawkins, Calero and Santos who could be that 4th winger but none of them have got close to the first team this season. So I'm hoping if there's any money to spend in January, another winger will be brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramos Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 7 minutes ago, Cam the Ram said: Well I was the person suggesting we sign another winger so I'm assuming this was aimed towards my post. I'm not suggesting signing a winger to come straight in and replace Ince, I'm suggesting signing one so we have a 4th option. Near enough every position has numerous players to come in should our starter be in poor form, but with the wingers if 2 of them are in a poor run of form (as Ince and Russell are now) then we're forced to stick with them because we only have 1 as a backup. There's obviously the likes of Dawkins, Calero and Santos who could be that 4th winger but none of them have got close to the first team this season. So I'm hoping if there's any money to spend in January, another winger will be brought in. Personally I think another wide player will be on the cards in January, whether their form picks up or not. One injury and we have no out and out cover at all. Possibly a Loan I don't know, but besides left back as aswell, the team as a whole doesn't need any further tweaks for me. And by left back I just mean cover/ comp for Warnock, unless when Lowe gets fit he does show to be a good fit for this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Ince needs confidence. He won't get that sat on the bench but he's no use without it. It's lose/lose at the minute. When he's confident he proved his worth. Just needs a clear picture of what he wants to do when he receives the ball and get at it. Too much deliberating and even his first touch is pretty poor now. He's suffering like Cyrus was. With Russell running into defenders, Weimann marking Martin and Ince being indecisive it's pretty hard going right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthram Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I have the same opinion as Paul Clement, Ince was really good last season creating and scoring goals. Now the championship teams are aware of what he can do and he is marked and closed down most times by two players. He as got to realise this and play the ball quicker and catch two opposition players out of position. The same is happening to Martin, the opposition are also getting tight on him, One thing I have noticed though this season, Ince and Christie on that same flank have both got into good positions and they have both not made that pass. I wonder if they do not get on with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicME85 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 32 minutes ago, Alpha said: Weimann marking Martin Tbf Martin is drifting all over the shop trying to get the ball when he is apparently the guy we play the ball up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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