Gritstone Ram Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Apologies for being argumentative last night by the way.me too. A highly emotional day for me yesterday. Soz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loughboroughRAM Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 avid rams fan and keen follower of this forum for some years now and after yesterdays debacle have finally decided to voice my feelings! First off what an utter travesty Clough has gone, he may not have been the best manager but was going nicely in reaching the long term objectives set out for him, build a strong squad on limited funds. 4.5 years in the job having ridden the wave of the premiership campaign fallout we were on track for a promising season, even if our early home form was a bit poor its early doors plenty of games left so this decision has really surprised everyone not least in my view as it doesn't add up to the boards ethos of long term planning to sack a manager you've placed your faith in this early in the season, I just wonder what would have happened had we won (or at least drawn) yesterday...would Nigel still be down at the job centre tomorrow morning rather than in his cosy office at PP? Unless this was always meant to be Clough's final season and he only started the season whilst the board waited for various targets to become available or make certain pre contractual arrangements with this seems such a bizarre decision! Anyone agree or disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Apologies for being argumentative last night by the way.tbh it is good to have different opinions. I can see your points. I am just a dreamer who believes in fairytales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notts_ram Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Agree with some of your points. The debate about would the board got rid of Clough had we beaten Forest is an interesting one, I would have suggested that they were unhappy with the progress of Cloughs team on the pitch so far this season so if not Forest then Ipswich or the next game..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 As far as I am concerned, the only thing that was left as far as supporting Derby County was concerned WERE the sentimental values. I don't support a business - I support a football club with a deep history of doing things right for and on behalf of the people of Derby. Or at least I thought I did. you are right but it has what football has become nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notts_ram Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 tbh it is good to have different opinions. I can see your points. I am just a dreamer who believes in fairytales. I agree Im just a hardened cynic - its refreshing to interact with people whom arent like me and do have dreams and aspirations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 It could be the owners are now ready to spend to get into the prem & couldn't bring themselves to trust clough with his limited scouting system, with the money. I know it seems a bit far fetched, but I do believe this decision to sack him was made a while back & I believe they already have a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Agree with some of your points. The debate about would the board got rid of Clough had we beaten Forest is an interesting one, I would have suggested that they were unhappy with the progress of Cloughs team on the pitch so far this season so if not Forest then Ipswich or the next game.....I think the decision was made weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 It's telling. I always thought the Clough Out noises were getting louder and louder, but it never, ever got to the point of the amount of 'sacking clough is a disgrace' noise currently - I can hold my head high, and say he has the backing of the fans. It's not us that have made the decision, the americans/rush are absolutely accountable for what happens now. If we don't improve on last season, then Rush should walk for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I think the decision was made weeks ago. It would explain the lack of any real transfer activity (other than the sale of Brayford, which I am now absolutely sure was not a Clough decision) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notts_ram Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I think the decision was made weeks ago. Agreed. Only thing that baffles me though is why wait until now, Pulis has been available all summer if the bookies odds are to be believed and am sure Mclaren would have jumped at the chance to become a manager again if he's only coaching at QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I think the decision was made weeks ago. I do, to a point. I imagine Rush telling Clough in the summer 'now might be a good time to do your qualifications' - but as I said when Rush came in, he'll have his own agenda in this. If Glick was still here, then so would Clough IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 If a manager doesn't have money to spend, do transfer windows count? He had money to spend and even actually spent some of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 He had money to spend and even actually spent some of it. You missed out "a little" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Agree with some of your points. The debate about would the board got rid of Clough had we beaten Forest is an interesting one, I would have suggested that they were unhappy with the progress of Cloughs team on the pitch so far this season so if not Forest then Ipswich or the next game.....The decision would not have been a knee jerk reaction to yesterdays result, it will be thought about for some time, I think Reading was the final straw for the board, but due to playing Lesta and Florest they delayed the announcement until after, the defeats just made it a little easier for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notts_ram Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 It's telling. I always thought the Clough Out noises were getting louder and louder, but it never, ever got to the point of the amount of 'sacking clough is a disgrace' noise currently - I can hold my head high, and say he has the backing of the fans. It's not us that have made the decision, the americans/rush are absolutely accountable for what happens now. If we don't improve on last season, then Rush should walk for me. The next few days will be very interesting for me, the board has made the decision that its time for a change but am curious to now see the logic behind the timing come out - and also to see the calibre of the new incumbent, whether he will be given extra funds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 The way people are talking, you'd think Clough had no money whatsoever to spend. Which is toss. I'm sure someone more geeky than me could list the players he bought and how many games they played before he dumped them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 You missed out "a little" I would dispute that. No doubt at first he had to cut back at a spectacular rate and there are many, many teams in this league with a larger wage bill. But there are some that would admire what we have as well. We've been competing with teams to sign decent players. Grant, Russell, Keogh, Shackell, Smith - these are all players that teams at the top end of the table would have been trying to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notts_ram Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 The decision would not have been a knee jerk reaction to yesterdays result, it will be thought about for some time, I think Reading was the final straw for the board, but due to playing Lesta and Florest they delayed the announcement until after, the defeats just made it a little easier for them. Yes I do agree the board have been a little cowardly or naive or a bit of both by thinking that the ground swell of public opinion would be for Clough going if we lost to both of our East Midlands rivals, when they saw the fixture list I bet they were licking their lips.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notts_ram Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I would dispute that. No doubt at first he had to cut back at a spectacular rate and there are many, many teams in this league with a larger wage bill. But there are some that would admire what we have as well. Apart from the big spenders like Forest and Leicester I cant think of many Championship clubs whom have spent 1 million plus on 2 separate players in different seasons? Apart from us. So the argument about no cash to spend is a little tenuous IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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