Guest Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Has anyone out there got a calculator that works? 11 - 9 = 2...at least get the facts correct! The fact that he played 15 fewer games would be a worry for me too, as it would surely indicate that he is injury prone or wasn't deemed good enough to get in a team that only just managed to finish above us! Maybe you should try using your fingers and toes; 12-9=3. Only 6 players started more games than him; maybe the reason is that they used a squad rotation, something NC has admittted to wanting to do more often ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Yes correct followed by 17 goals and promotion to the Premier league. Bit pointless comparison Pointless comparison? This whole debate has been centred around someone saying that Sammon will score more goals next season. I was pointing out that players can recover from a bad start even if the expert fans don't think they can and choose to boo them. Yes, that's right, Howard was quickly becoming a target for the boo boys before his 17 goals fired us to promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Maybe you should try using your fingers and toes; 12-9=3. Which would all be very good if Sharp had scored 12 and not 11! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Which would all be very good if Sharp had scored 12 and not 11! Look it up, 12 for red dogs, 1 for southampton in the CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMuffin Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Pointless comparison? This whole debate has been centred around someone saying that Sammon will score more goals next season. I was pointing out that players can recover from a bad start even if the expert fans don't think they can and choose to boo them. Yes, that's right, Howard was quickly becoming a target for the boo boys before his 17 goals fired us to promotion. Yes Howard did have a bad start but he still scored 17 goals in the season he had a bad start. Sammon had a bad start and scored 9 goals in the same season he had a bad start (or a bad season, depends how you look at it) Maybe he deserves a bit longer though. I'm sure people will monitor his progress as the season unfolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewbacca Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 My prediction is that Sammon will score 15 goals or more next season in all competitions should he stay pretty much injury free and with us for the duration of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Maybe you should try using your fingers and toes; 12-9=3. Only 6 players started more games than him; maybe the reason is that they used a squad rotation, something NC has admittted to wanting to do more often ???? 12 toes? Is he from Nottingham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Ram Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 To be honest I am not going to read too much into Sammon/Hull speculation. Considering his price tag last season some view his first yer at Pride Park as average or below so I wouldn't imagine Steve Bruce to sign him up and lead his forward line in the premiership quite yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 12 toes? Is he from Nottingham? Given he needed a calculator to count to 11, then still got it wrong, maybe he is....lets see if he does a Bris and confirms it by moving the goalposts :-) Having said that I leave myself open as I could be wrong, as it does happen, quite often..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nijul_cluff Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Look it up, 12 for red dogs, 1 for southampton in the CC. Someone told me cup goals don't count! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Someone told me cup goals don't count! So Charlie George never did score a hat-trick against Real Madrid then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobRam Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Sammon 9 goals in 47 appearances and 6 assists. Average: 1 goal every 5.2 games. Assists : 1 assist every 7.8 games how can anybody argue that as a striker this is good enough. if he'd got 15 assists and been profilic in that department it would be forgivable. to be so lacking in both is simply not good enough. I'd love him to prove me wrong and be awesome next season, but from what I've seen I simply can't see it. he just doesn't look like a footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Someone told me cup goals don't count! So Charlie George never did score a hat-trick against Real Madrid then. They don't when the person was quite clear in saying something like "he'll score 15 now he's got used to the championship". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMuffin Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Sammon 9 goals in 47 appearances and 6 assists. Average: 1 goal every 5.2 games. Assists : 1 assist every 7.8 games how can anybody argue that as a striker this is good enough. if he'd got 15 assists and been profilic in that department it would be forgivable. to be so lacking in both is simply not good enough. I'd love him to prove me wrong and be awesome next season, but from what I've seen I simply can't see it. he just doesn't look like a footballer. So few assists to go with the poor goal tally indeed. Martin will assist more, as will Russell and Ward and all 3 will score more. For me Sammon should be no more than fresh legs coming from the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Cool. Another Sammon debate. The Sun just trolled you all Trollololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Sammon 9 goals in 47 appearances and 6 assists. Average: 1 goal every 5.2 games. Assists : 1 assist every 7.8 games how can anybody argue that as a striker this is good enough. if he'd got 15 assists and been profilic in that department it would be forgivable. to be so lacking in both is simply not good enough. I'd love him to prove me wrong and be awesome next season, but from what I've seen I simply can't see it. he just doesn't look like a footballer. I would agree that them stats taken as a standalone view are p**s poor. However, if a ball is played long to Sammon, he controls (unlikely I know) and lays it off to a winger who crosses for someone else to score, then Sammon gets absolutely no credit for his part in that goal. I would also argue that it can be hard at times to assist when you have no team mate within 20 or 30 yards of you, as was often the case during away games or late on in home games when Nigel decided he wanted to shut up shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobram Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 forget about billy sharp, for 2 mil you could a better player than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Contribution to the score board says about as much about a player as candle wax on water, but ultimately people will keep spouting nonsensical nonsense until the actual numbers are posted (dates represent period over which the data is taken from, all data is from Derby County in the Championship only):Conor Sammon (2012-13)Starts: 41Subs: 4Minutes: 3566Goals: 8Assists: 6Combined: 14Minutes per goal: 446Minutes per assist: 594Minutes per SC*: 255*Score contributionOther strikers in recent times:Steve Davies (2008-12)Starts: 49Subs: 34Minutes: 4441Goals: 20Assists: 7Combined: 27Minutes per goal: 222Minutes per assist: 634Minutes per SC: 164Theo Robinson (2011-13)Starts: 48Subs: 32Minutes: 4481Goals: 20Assists: 3Combined: 23Minutes per goal: 224Minutes per assist: 1494Minutes per SC: 195Rob Hulse (2008-10)Starts: 73Subs: 9Minutes: 6459Goals: 28Assists: 5Combined: 33Minutes per goal: 231Minutes per assist: 1292Minutes per SC: 196Kris Commons (2008-11)Starts: 66Subs: 14Minutes: 5703Goals: 21Assists: 20Combined: 41Minutes per goal: 272Minutes per assist: 285Minutes per SC: 139Nathan Tyson (2011-13)Starts: 17Subs: 22Minutes: 1636Goals: 4Assists: 1Combined: 5Minutes per goal: 409Minutes per assist: 1636Minutes per SC: 327Jamie Ward (2010-13)Starts: 71Subs: 4Minutes: 5843Goals: 21Assists: 20Combined: 41Minutes per goal: 278Minutes per assist: 292Minutes per SC: 143Tomasz Cywka (2009-12)Starts: 28Subs: 16Minutes: 2682Goals: 5Assists: 8Combined: 13Minutes per goal: 536Minutes per assist: 335Minutes per SC: 206Steve Howard (2006-07)Starts: 43Subs: 0Minutes: 3847Goals: 16Assists: 8Combined: 24Minutes per goal: 240Minutes per assist: 481Minutes per SC: 160Tito Villa (2008-09)Starts: 12Subs: 18Minutes: 1235Goals: 2Assists: 1Combined: 3Minutes per goal: 618Minutes per assist: 1235Minutes per SC: 412Nathan Ellington (2008-09)Starts: 13Subs: 14Minutes: 1329Goals: 3Assists: 2Combined: 5Minutes per goal: 443Minutes per assist: 665Minutes per SC: 266Chris Porter (2009-11)Starts: 20Subs: 24Minutes: 2005Goals: 9Assists: 0Combined: 9Minutes per goal: 223Minutes per assist: N/AMinutes per SC: 223Luke Varney (2009-2011)Starts: 10Subs: 2Minutes: 887Goals: 1Assists: 1Combined: 2Minutes per goal: 887Minutes per assist: 887Minutes per SC: 444Giles Barnes (2005-09)Starts: 47Subs: 14Minutes: 4419Goals: 9Assists: 5Combined: 14Minutes per goal: 491Minutes per assist: 884Minutes per SC: 316Arturo Lupoli (2006-07)Starts: 18Subs: 17Minutes: 1770Goals: 7Assists: 4Combined: 11Minutes per goal: 253Minutes per assist: 443Minutes per SC: 161Alberto Bueno (2006-07)Starts: 25Subs: 4Minutes: 1891Goals: 5Assists: 7Combined: 12Minutes per goal: 378Minutes per assist: 270Minutes per SC: 158It's too early to really make any reference to Martin and players like Kuqi and such really didn't appear that much (although Varney is included). For a bit of flavour, here are some other records:Glenn Murray 2011-12:Starts: 25Subs: 13Minutes: 2418Goals: 6Assists: 5Combined: 11Minutes per goal: 403Minutes per assist: 484Minutes per SC: 220Johnny Russell (2007-13 SPL)Starts: 84Subs: 17Minutes: 7336Goals: 31Assists: 12Combined: 43Minutes per goal: 237Minutes per assist: 611Minutes per SC: 171Conor Sammon (2008-11 SPL)Starts: 43Subs: 22Minutes: 4137Goals: 17Assists: 3Combined: 20Minutes per goal: 243Minutes per assist: 1379Minutes per SC: 207Take from that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I'm certain he'll get a better return next year, 12 goals would be my prediction. You have to remember as well though that it's not like he had loads of chances. I remember someone on here saying he only had 50 shots over the course of the season (just over 1 a game!) which is terrible for a striker. As long as it's drilled into him that he needs to shoot more, I see no reason why his goal tally shouldn't improve either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Pinch me, I'm dreaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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