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Or they might be thinking "more chance for me getting a regular game" and "this is my time to shine"! 

Football is a Saturday afternoon with your brother or mates.
Football is about arguing about the team, the tactics, the players, the manager and the oppostion.
Football is the banter, the sounds, the smells(!!), the andrenaline of walking to the ground - it's an emotion of highs and lows within just 90 minutes, and the next week, whatever the previous result may be, you go again.
Once you have committed to a club, it's yours for life, whatever division the team plays in.
I'm 69 years of age, and next Easter Monday 2022, will be the 60th anniversary of the first time I watched Derby County, when my dear father and uncle took me and my brother to the Baseball Ground.
I've stood on terraces, in all weathers, sat on hard seats, been treated to the hospitality suite, and even played on Pride Park in a charity game and football have given me despair at time, but also much enjoyment over the years.
I even bought a season ticket when I was working overseas and only saw 4 home games a season for 3 years, but I still supported Derby County from afar.
Whatever division The Rams find themselves in next season, I will shout at them, criticise them, moan until I'm blue in the face, but I'll support them because they are my club from my home town.
 

He’s just run past my house as well and I live twenty miles from Derby, RUN Philip RUN.

He’s just run past my house as well and I live twenty miles from Derby, RUN Philip RUN.

No but it’s all they’ve got 

Why are some folk so unable, unwilling or both, to assimilate a few simple facts concerning these charges? It's no small wonder that fans from other clubs have a poor opinion of us now, when some of our own fans, who ought to be better informed, are themselves the first to jump on any sniff of perceived wrongdoing. What possible benefit is there in wilfully ignoring what we know to be true in favour presupposing guilt at every corner? We've even got folk using the fact that we've not submitted the new accounts inside 48 hours as the latest stick with which to thrash the club. It simply beggars belief.
For the umpteenth time, there were two charges; one related to the valuation of our stadium and was summarily dismissed by the DC; the other related to our amortisation policy which was signed off on and approved under legal accounting standards by independent auditors, the auditors regulatory body, the DC and the ducking EFL themselves, the latter several times over a period of years. The amortisation policy charge was also initially dismissed by the DC for the aforementioned reasons. This left the EFL so desperate to save face that they appealed the decision, the outcome of which was predicted by myself and numerous others on this very thread: a small fine in order to secure the token win they need to maintain any ducking credibility at all AND NO POINTS DEDUCTION. 
At this point, I very much doubt that even the EFL will be willing to risk further embarrassment. They can kid themselves this paltry fine vindicates two years of unwarranted charges and appeals and get back to their principal role as lapdogs to Sky and the Premiership whilst paying themselves inflated salaries for doing so. As for the DC, I strongly suspect that they only agreed to what is a nominal fine in order to save the EFL from falling into further disrepute and to allow us to finally emerge from under an endless series of unfair and damaging embargos and to prevent the EFL from continuing what has become a spiteful and unwarranted campaign against a club whose chairman quite rightly questioned their business acumen. In doing so, they have vindicated Mel's opinion in spades, though the crushing irony of this has unsurprisingly escaped the EFL's notice and who will doubtless be celebrating spending millions to secure a £100k fine for their members' coffers.
If, as I strongly suspect, the EFL do not appeal this sanction, I think we will 'be the bigger man' and simply take the £100k hit in order to allow us to return to football matters rather than spending every waking hour addressing the embittered ramblings and actions of a so-called professional body that seems more intent on undermining its membership than serving it. 

Thanks, it really does mean a lot.

Great post overall but just wanted to address the Leeds comments as feel there's a danger of them becoming the new Stoke ('great support & always been great')
Its true Leeds fans will defend anything but that isn't always that admirable...they defended their racist keeper to the hilt & sing pro-Jimmy Savile songs to dilute the embarrassment that such a repulsive individual was one of them. They were also very bullish over spygate but that had as much to do with them being top of the league at the time & it fitting in with their historical reputation as cheats. They love that mantle (although interestingly love to take the moral higher ground when it suits)
They are not a club that circles the wagons when things are tough though & are one of the worst clubs in English football for gloryhunting. The season they went down to League One & got their retrospective points deduction, the fans stayed away en masse...a lot of their gates were around 16k - 18k mark (link below)& they had to close their East Stand such was the level of disinterest. The main club shop in town also closed due to extremely poor sales...the city basically turned its back on the club. Its inconceivable that would happen at Derby or that gates would drop at PP to those levels in the second tier.
Yes, they're on the up now & their fans are as delusional as ever but when the chips are down Derby fans > Leeds fans every day of the week.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006–07_Leeds_United_A.F.C._season

The Chris Martin sending off at Burnley ?

I wouldn’t take the punishment out of principle, but then I can understand why the club would just to settle it and be allowed to move on.
Whilst you have the likes of Gibson and Wycombe threatening to take legal action, the EFL will continue to appeal to show they have done everything in their power. 
My concern now is there is genuine tension between the club and the EFL, this might calm once Mel has completed the sale of the club, just fear that we will be scrutinised for any minor infraction now and on their radar.
With the club statements made, we have embarrassed them, shown the EFL up as the incompetent organisation it is, and that will have ruffled some big feathers.
Some would argue, we should have kept quiet, rolled over, but let’s not forget how this tension really all started, way back when Mel was the one actively fighting for better TV deals to benefit the entire Football League gaining support along the way.
I agree with @Dan_Ram, as fans of this club we should be doing our bit to change the narrative to the real issue here which should be a huge story.
Unfortunately though, the vocal fans we do have are using their voices to continue with their anger towards the club from top to bottom.
We have no chance of this happening and I find that kinda sad in all honesty, doesn’t feel like we have any togetherness at all right now. Some will argue that’s Mel’s fault for the way he’s run the club, but that’s missing the point here which Dan has made in this thread.
When you see other clubs like Leeds for example, blatantly cheating with spying on training sessions they were out in force over Derby forums and social media defending their club.
Us? We even had fans saying so what, they spied on our training sessions preparing to play them and that’s the difference.
Keogh, rather than look at what he did to this club, we have fans out there going through employment laws section 2b on page 456 that says we did wrong. 
Forget the fact that the club captain refused a taxi home and stayed out with young lads, one of which had been drinking to get over the loss of his mum, get in a car with them. 
No no, 2b in the employment law, page 456 ffs says we should have sacked them all, wanting us to write off one of our most valuable assets that could still perform for the club and actually needed an arm round him, some support as the young man tries to get over the loss of his mum. 
I really dislike Leeds, REALLY dislike Leeds but I can’t help but respect the togetherness through right or wrong, that is there club and nobody shall attack it.
I’m sure you could link this to the atmosphere between the 2 grounds as well, feels like we’re waiting to boo rather than get behind the team.
As a disclaimer to this I do feel there are times when you cannot support, a player that has been racist for example, found guilty, but in fairness I don’t think he’s been that popular since with them.

You could always vote with your feet. You do not have to support DCFC other clubs are available. As long as you close the door on your way out. 

The consequences being a £100k fine which I’m sure we will accept, but sadly the EFL won’t.
And if our re-submitted accounts comply with the spending limits for which there is growing consensus they will, then we haven’t gained an advantage, and not done a lot wrong making this whole thing an unnecessary witch-hunt, whatever you think of Mel Morris, Stephen Pearce or your extreme and constant negativity towards the club in general.

Be our guest!

Just wanted to bump this thread from last month in light of recent events.
I maintain its very unlikely we'll be playing League One football come August but there will be an inevitable weariness to this constant uncertainty with no clear end in sight. Its relentless & I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who is shaking their head with incredulity at all this, feeling really powerless & just craves a normal, quiet summer with the odd new signing
Things to remember;
1. Perspective - this club has come through some really grim times & yes, we're back here again but we survived in 1984, we survived in 2003-05 & we'll bounce back from this too. And others; Luton got a 30 point deduction, sank into non-league not so long back - they finished above us last year. Leeds were minus 15 points in League One & they came back too. Secondly, as some of the posts earlier on this thread demonstrate, there's some proper hard times being experienced by some out there that makes football seem very unimportant indeed.
2. Whatever the morons behind the ESL think, clubs are all about the fans & this particular club is lucky to have a very loyal & large fanbase. We're a massive community of like minded folk - please don't forget & that this place is great for venting feelings, however irrational/furious/hopeless
3. Tomorrow is another day & things don't stay the same indefinitely. All this will pass.
In the spirit of the second point, I'm going to back off the Rooney bashing for a bit. Made my feelings crystal clear but frankly I'm more concerned about the club stabilising and the fanbase uniting as a group & showing the commitment & loyalty needed to ride out these rough times. And if he does stay come what may & tries to turn this ship around, I'd be lying if that wouldn't impress me massively.
Long live DCFC, they'll never keep us down... ?

Well to the Derby players we all got your backs if we remain in the champership you are gonner have to fight with everything you have but mostly stick it to efl and say to them throw what ever you throw at us we gonner get back up.
Now to mel you need keep fighting and fighting till efl final release they can not and will not win. Us the fans have your back on this just send the word and we shall start a massive protest against the efl and make the world lesson to how wrong you are doing to us we shall never never ever ever give up on our team and you shall never never ever ever stop loving our club.

We are being threatened with retrospective relegation and being accused of systematic cheating. What do you expect us to do just take it? This time around I don’t think it’s us picking the fight. 

The problem is that if the governing body do not state the approach that must be taken, then people will be creative in order to gain an advantage - particualrly whereby the rules prevent owners from competing with others that seem to have an unfair advantage (as is the case with parachute payments) - being creative may be questionable ethically, but it's quite clearly not cheating if the governing body has been too lax to set out (in advance) what is and what isn't allowed. A one line change to the rules when we first started with our 'unusual' depreciation method would have sorted this - the EFL were too incompetent to think through the implications and let it go for several years. We have not breached their rules because their rules are badly written/implemented and allowed us to take the approach that we did.....

Completely not true. Our amortisation method was accepted then the EFL changed its mind. The DC found a minor finding that we should have made it clearer. Everything else we were accused of we were not guilty. The LAP disagreed with the finding, and said at worst we misled the EFL, didn’t say deliberately. That’s now what the LAP will need to determine on the inevitable appeal. 
As for the key question - did we gain an advantage? If we breach FFP and resubmission then yes, if we’re still within limits then no we didn’t!! 
So no the Wycombe chairman’s comments are complete and utter baalocks and also libellous.
Starting to think you’re just a WUM, you may as well be a red dog with some of your comments

Coincidentally, several years ago I drew up an approach for amortising deferred acquisition costs for my financial services employer. 
Two or three years on, the auditors came back and said "your approach isn't the same as emerging market practice, which means that your profit profile looks different and market analysts won't be able to compare you with other companies". 
We argued that our approach suited us, we understood it, and the accounting standards didn't prohibit it. 
They had to agree, but fell back on the "market practice" line and indicated that a special note would have to be put in the audit report, which never is a good thing. 
So we changed. With very ill grace. 
 
I see parallels here. Dcfc are being pulled up on amortisation. Not Enron style valuation of fictional assets and hidden captive entities where all the losses are hidden to present a fictional view of the club to the world. The policy was no doubt adopted to enable a short term increase in wiggle room. In the knowledge that it's the end points that are important and if contracts/registrations ultimately expire for nothing then there will be a reckoning, as there has been, which is being fully recognised.
I have no idea what other variations clubs might use in other parts of the accounts. All sorts might be going on. If forests Greek owner can do favourable deals between his 2 clubs then that's a fault in the rule drafting. 
 

We have been found guilty of a technicality hence a fine of 100k please tell of what other rules we broke. 
I suggest you listen to the Rams review podcast so you get your facts correct. 

It isn't a fact though is it Muespach?, we have actually possibly broken the "spirit" of one rule, not the letter of the rule, simply not giving a clear explanation of the change. I know you are not happy with what the club has done, fair enough, but your are grossly exaggerating the point and confusing opinion with fact.

You're spouting as much balls as that Wycombe numpty. 
"bent every rule in the book..." 
I mean, come on........ 

So for adjusting our amortisation method to another perfectly legal method, it warrants the phrases "systematic cheating and years and years of violating the rules" Really? Considering the process is not even complete and the majority of accusations against us have been disproved, I would say it is "unfairly" disparaging, particularly when you see what Leicester, QPR and Villa did.

That's just hyperbolic drivel I'm afraid. 

Innocent question matey - are you actually a Rams fan? You seem to be taking great delight in our current prefdicament and the opportunities it presents to slate the club, its employees and its owner. These are not the actions of someone that would normally class themselves as a fan....