Kathcairns

Team for League 1...
Most likely players to be sold/released: Marshall, Byrne, Jagielka (retired), Buchanan, Bird, Knight, Bielik, Morrison, Lawrence, Jozwiak, Kazim
Manager: Rooney
Coaching team: as is, plus Jagielka
GK: Roos, Allsop, Foulkes
RB: Festy, McDonald
CB: Davies, Stearman, Cashin, JBrown
LB: Williams, Forsyth
CM: Shinnie, LThompson, Watson, Dixon
AM: Sibley, Hutchinson
RW: ??, ??
LW: ??, ??
CF: Stretton, Baldock
Need to play our best team for now though, get the most possible for the players we're going to sell.

Really?  thanks I didnt know that 

I thought this as soon as we went into admin and started selling out away ends. We should say we aren’t selling away tickets as we haven’t got an operating ticket office and then keep the money in our own club by purchasing home tickets.  
whilst we’re at it, put all away tickets in our ground upto £40-£50 and fleece other fans. They hate us anyway so may as well add another thing to their list. 
 
we should definitely not sell any boro tickets !!!!  

Don’t go to anymore away games this season . You won’t be filling the coffers of other Championship teams. Save the cash and use it next season to buy a friend or relative a season ticket . The players will understand.

And many can see the real possibility still of our club going out of existence. So compared to that yes being in league one is a fantasy for many who can also remember the great time that followed our relegation to the third tier last time. 

You obviously didnt read through the mel morris trend on twitter yesterday evening.  I think most fans are both furious and very sad it has come to this but the stoical optimistic trenches humorous outlook is what i like about this forum and the posters. Spineless is insulting to those who can obviously separate supporting the team and players from those who have caused this.   Out of interest what should fans have done instead of your last sentence? 

You are correct, it was not a minor offence, it was no offence at all, as concluded by the IDC.
The important thing you are omitting is that we tried to circumvent FFP but fully within the rules.
If you are still arguing that the stadium valuation was an inflated figure I'm guessing that you have not followed the case too closely. 
Maybe the EFL should start challenging the sales values of players? I can think if plenty that have been sold at inflated values. 
Our financial situation is in no way down to the EFL but the fact that we have found ourselves with our hands tied behind our backs for nearly 2 years (let that timescale sink in) lays fully at their door.
We've basically been stopped from operating normally and put in the position of not being allowed access to a Covid loan purely on the basis of unfounded alllegations from other clubs.

Yes, but the question is why we were ordered to resubmit accounts?
The IDC found that our method of amortisation was sound, and the LAP found it only worthy of a £100,000 fine.
Making us resubmit the accounts was basically forcing us to fail P&S because they already knew the outcome.

Given that we (think) we know that the EFL signed off our accounts for years before identifying the issue and, effectively, retrospectively punishing us (and the consequences of this resubmitting accounts that have put us in the ?), I’m amazed we/the administrators haven’t sought to take the EFL to court ourselves.  I just cannot see how the EFL’s position has been on any way in the interests of natural justice. This is particularly the case, when you think about the ridiculous cases Boro and Wycombe are trying on. 
I’m like a dog with a bone on this, but I also still fail to see why the EFL are so intent on destroying the club. There must have been ways out for them which would have seen them able to punish us and still save safe with the other clubs (eg leaving it at the 100,000 fine, not requiring updated accounts and just being told not to do it again… or something… there must have been scope for leniency and discretion, especially with things like COVID.). Just a massive group of jobsworths. 
Yes, Mel needs to take the lion’s share of the blame for all this as he is ultimately responsible, but the EFL have been deplorable in my humble opinion.
Oh well. Futile rage it is then!

We have been found guilty of a minor offence and given a £100K fine, there doesn't seem to be any other charge on the table yet. Mel sailed us into a very grey area by trying to outflank FFP, it seems he did a good enough job to prevent a straight forward charge. The EFL have then sailed into their own grey area to bully and undermine us with embargo's and inuendo. There seems to have been a constant drip of information undermining us throughout the whole process.
I'm angry with the EFL for their underhand conduct of the affair, with Mel for him taking his bat home and leaving us in the lurch, with Gibson and Couhig for trying to Bury us with their legal action. Relegation may be the least of our worries, if the EFL continue to duck with us then we may have half the team leave of a free and the talented kids for a pittance. If HMRC dig there heels in we could still go under. I keep hearing Patrick Allen's voice telling me this might be the last game you ever see, and it's making me upset. 
 

I don’t see why Rooney should be concerned about managing in league 1 as league 1/2 is where he should have started his managerial career…

The new ownership (assuming it happens) and Rooney both have a decision to make now. 
 
Firstly the new owner whoever that may be. What is the plan and strategy moving forward, what is their ambition for the club and what is the plan and timescale to get there. Is it a short-term throw money at it and plead forgiveness model when it all goes south (known as the Morris way)? Is it invest nothing and build totally around the academy or is it an intelligent recruitment model to supplement the academy built around a defined style of playing? Either way (unless it’s the Morris way) they will need a manager who is in it for the long term, prepared to build something from league 1 upwards. Hiring a young talented league 1 manager has its risks, if we have a purely league 1 mindset then we risk becoming a league 1 club for a significant period of time. A journeyman league one manager who knows the league would be a disaster IMO.
The other options are either convince a big hitter who has some experience of the lower leagues but who has had success that we are a sleeping giant that needs awakening and back them to build success, similar to last time we were at this level and we enticed Arthur Cox to join us.  Or decide Rooney is the man, back him to the hilt, give him time to build something and work his way back to this championship. But Rooney has to commit to the long-haul, has to be prepared to drop to league 1 and play the long game, get it right it could make his managerial career and catapult him to the top level with an unbelievable football grounding combined with his elite football mindset. If there is any question or doubt that Rooney would stay and manage us into league 1 - get rid immediately and get someone who will.
As for Rooney, he also has to make a decision. Is he prepared to drop to league 1 if he has owner who will back him, give him time enable him to build a successful club, ensuring a first class football grounding that will eventually lead him to the top where he wants to be? Or is it too much of a risk, will he be forgotten? Does he take the short-term option of leaving for a better offer? Who will employ him? Will baggies get so fed up with Ismael that they take a chance on him? Would they go for him if Dean Smith and Daniel Farke are on the market? Any job without parachute payments will be tough unless there is a good infrastructure in place. 

I think Rooney has demonstrated immense leadership this season and I hope the owners give him the chance and he wants to stay to see it through, through relegation to promotion back to the championship and hopefully back to the premier league. 
 
Whatever happens, whatever we do between now and the end of the season has to be with the aim of being a sustainable but competitive league one club next season that can then compete in the championship. Recruitment has to be with a medium/long term aim and if we manage the great escape then brilliant but don’t compromise next season to save this one.

If the points deduction are as suggested, it might well take the fight from some players. We have to balance preparing for next season whilst still remaining competitive. I can't see what we as a club would gain from continuing a Davies and Jagielka partnership each week. A mix of youth and experience, but give each youth a few games run before swapping out.
Allowing the youngsters a less pressured environment to get use to the pace and physicality is an ideal opportunity.
Far rather see them learn(hopefully) than see Lawrence make the usual wrong choice!

Back in the day, I'd've agreed with that philosophy. But, nowadays, teams including ours "rest" players, playing youngsters "for experience", in cup competitions and the like.
Given that a 21 point deduction would effectively condemn us to relegation (with this squad, no goalscorer etc), my suggestion would only be an extension of the play-youngsters-in-the-cup idea. 
And, unlike those cup sides, as I said before, I'd balance the number of youngsters with more experienced heads who could mentor them on the pitch.
As for questioning tactics if we did follow my suggestion, I'd say look at the other threads....a lot of folks are proposing the very same thing.

I'll take a consistent run on 3pm Saturday games, with no international breaks. It's not going to feel glamorous, far from it, but it is what you make it. The possibility of new away grounds is exciting to me. I'm genuinely looking forward to a bit of a change. 
Football is football at the end of the day. We've been a low scoring, largely dull side under a transfer embargo for the past two seasons. I couldn't care less about being one step further from a division I haven't seen since I was a teenager. If all I was interested in was the Premier League, I'd travel 30 minutes in the other direction and watch Leicester. 
 

I imagine the administrators have conceded knowing that there is a buyer (probably Kirchner, possibly Appleby & Co) who is keen to push through a deal with our financial / league position finally established.
If it’s true, the rebuild starts now. Rooney should have full license to recruit for League 1 and to set up a system designed to win games and not just mitigate damages.
Give the fans football to be excited about, even if our fate is set.

Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich, Wigan, Bolton, Charlton, Portsmouth... There are some cool teams down there.

One of the best seasons ever for going away, was that promotion campaign under Arthur.
Still remember besides the football, trips to the likes of York, can’t remember nothing about the game in truth, just being shunted into the station after the game, the coppers deciding to treat us like animals, so we behaved like it back. Several hundred baa,baa’s as they herded us through onto the train, with the end result of the old station doors hanging off the hinges and everyone pi$$ing themselves as the train left the station.
Football supporting was bloody fun being the biggest club in the league, taking over stadiums (if you could call some that, who remembers the many away ends that were just open concrete terraces), out-singing locals, none of the premier league trappings. 
Next year could be fun.

If this does happen, I hope we prioritise the Papa John's trophy. 
Win the final, then point blank refuse to walk up the steps and collect the EFL trophy.

Why do we continue to discuss a man so inadequate and irrelevant? I appreciate that your post is offered more in humour than meaningfulness, but why give the hateful little rick the attention he so clearly craves?
Even his fellow OTIB users more or less ignore him. Perhaps we should do the same...

My piss is boiling right now!! I’m so angry. Seething!! This is an absolute disgrace!! The EFL is a shocking organisation that panders to its most vocal members. This isn’t about financial fair play, integrity of the league or making clubs sustainable, this is politics pure and simple!! I want the administrators to publish everything, i want to know exactly what we have done that constitutes a 9 point penalty, how much have we breached by to the pound and penny - if it adds up to a 9 point deduction then fair enough and it’s more Mel lies. If it doesn’t, then we’ve been totally done over -  exploited due to our position being in admin and needing closure to sell the club. If it’s never released then we know the answer. 
 
That all said, despite being angry at the EFL   the main person to blame for all of this is Mel. He plunged us into admin, he started the fight with the EFL and he ran away and both issues have contributed to us now being relegation certainties in November. 
 
 

Let’s just get all the points penalties now and start next season fresh with a new owner in League One.
People saying -21 points is the worst case scenario. it isn’t at all. We’re already going down with -12 points. Worst case scenario is relegation and then for the financial irregularity / punishment points deduction to happen in League One.
Starting next season in League One with zero points, a new owner and no hanging points deduction is among the best case scenarios.
 

Anyone believing that they can achieve some sort of beast-level catharsis by making others as miserable as they feel is in for a nasty shock. Writing down one's reasons for feeling sad or anxious, or annotating those feelings, is a million miles away from venting one's spleen at a complete stranger via social media. 
On thread, as regards the additional 9 point deduction, if it's true, there ought to be some form of enquiry into how exactly this is known by a journalist before the EFL have formally laid out the specifics of the charges brought and the penalties attached to them. It stinks to the high heavens and speaks to the incredibly divisive way they have sought to undermine the club at every juncture. After two years of embargos, with all the issues such sanctions bring, we now find ourselves looking at a 21 point sanction on top and for what? For using ERV and not straight line amortisation policies!
If these reports are true, then I can imagine precisely the line they have adopted in their 'negotiations; challenge either or both charges and we'll seek to expel you from the league. If this is correct then it's small wonder that the talks were 'adjourned' and even less surprising that Mel felt he had to walk away. So much for the 'integrity of the league'. No question, we've made errors of judgement, but has any club ever been faced with such a heavy price to pay for what was, compared to other clubs' transgressions, a relatively minor offence?
'We want Derby County to be sustainable' - GTFOH
 

Well I have been saying this for some time now . Efl is corrupt … rotten to the core .
how on Earth can it help the stakeholders in Derby County in our current position …  the creditors , the fans , the players , all of us … and all of us innocent of any wrongdoing whatsoever… to deduct a frigging 21 points from us and pretty much guarantee relegation?
it could even hasten the club into liquidation , and certainly won’t help the payout to creditors. So what purpose does it serve other than satisfying the sadistic villains at the Efl and all their cronies?

There’s enough poo there already