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    Tyler Durden reacted to May Contain Nuts in Embleton needs surgery and has returned to Sunderland   
    Simple really.
    People aren't actually blaming Warne or his methods for the injuries.
    There have been (brief) discussions regarding certain possibilities and potential perceptions, with suitable caveats in place to show that posters aren't saying it's Warne's fault.
    As such there's not really any need to debunk the idea that it could be his fault, claim that the thread is 'getting silly' or to act like you can't believe you're having to point out that Roesnior didn't get the same treatment.
    Pre-empting criticism before it's even happened makes it seem like any discussion to that point is implying fault.
    It makes it feel like one of those topics that's off-limits, even for sensible discussion.
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    Tyler Durden reacted to Comrade 86 in Embleton needs surgery and has returned to Sunderland   
    Can't believe I'm actually the one having to point this out, but when Liam had a bunch of players out injured (ie the entire time he was in charge), nobody was questioning his training methods. 
    As it is, I'm gutted for the lad himself and also for the club as I do think this lad could have been the missing link; pace, box to box, with a rocket shot on him. It's just our lousy luck though, I'm afraid. I don't buy the consipacy theories at all.
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    Tyler Durden reacted to YorkshireRam in Embleton needs surgery and has returned to Sunderland   
    This thread is getting silly. Injuries are part and parcel of football. If you really want to try and prove that Warne is injuring players then have a look at the correlation between the type of injuries and whether an overly-physical training regime could cause them. Embleton getting a freak injury taking a corner does not fit into this category though. Without insight into the training program either, it's just conjecture.
    There's plenty of things you can evidence right now if you want to criticise Warne, please focus on these rather than trying to speculate on this. Warne knows we have a thin squad, I'd imagine he's trying to protect them right now, rather than the opposite. Bad luck does exist, it's not always someone's fault...
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    Tyler Durden got a reaction from Archied in Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?   
    This convo is going way off piste now.
    The OP said that he excluded Lampard from a group of managers whom failed to get us promoted due to, in their opinion, some external event occuring i.e. Roos dropping a clanger. 
    Let's get this back on track. 
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    Tyler Durden got a reaction from Archied in Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?   
    By the same metric you're using of course 😅
    Failure to get promotion......
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    Tyler Durden got a reaction from Archied in Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?   
    Does that mean by your same logic that we can't include McClaren in that list of managers because of the howler Keogh dropped?
    Amusing how your goalposts move arbitrarily according to the narrative you wish to progress. 
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    Tyler Durden got a reaction from ariotofmyown in Embleton needs surgery and has returned to Sunderland   
    The empathy to a player having a significant part of their career put on hold due to an injury is overwhelming 
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    Tyler Durden got a reaction from Premier ram in Embleton needs surgery and has returned to Sunderland   
    The empathy to a player having a significant part of their career put on hold due to an injury is overwhelming 
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    Tyler Durden reacted to Chris_Martin in Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?   
    but at the time none of those players were internationals or at the levels they're at now.
    so absolutely lampard can't be included in that list
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    Tyler Durden got a reaction from angieram in Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?   
    Lampard got us to a playoff final with a team which included 3 full internationals, one of which apparently has just turned down a move to PSG another of which has just moved to Man Utd for nearly £60 million.
    So absolutely yes he should be included in a list of managers whom failed to get us promoted. 
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    Tyler Durden got a reaction from EssendonRam in Warne: what would it take?   
    No a permanent manager arriving.
    You're conflating two points as usual.
    Rosenoir was employed as an interim which by definition means it was a temporary position.
    So this came to an end when a permanent manager (Warne in this case) arrived at the club.
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    Tyler Durden got a reaction from Archied in Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?   
    Lampard got us to a playoff final with a team which included 3 full internationals, one of which apparently has just turned down a move to PSG another of which has just moved to Man Utd for nearly £60 million.
    So absolutely yes he should be included in a list of managers whom failed to get us promoted. 
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    Tyler Durden got a reaction from lrm14 in Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?   
    Lampard got us to a playoff final with a team which included 3 full internationals, one of which apparently has just turned down a move to PSG another of which has just moved to Man Utd for nearly £60 million.
    So absolutely yes he should be included in a list of managers whom failed to get us promoted. 
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    Tyler Durden got a reaction from DiggerB in Embleton needs surgery and has returned to Sunderland   
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    Tyler Durden got a reaction from DiggerB in Embleton needs surgery and has returned to Sunderland   
    The empathy to a player having a significant part of their career put on hold due to an injury is overwhelming 
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    Tyler Durden reacted to May Contain Nuts in Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?   
    The stretch to end all stretches that one. 
    Suggesting that if reading something online is making you unhappy, angry or anything else,  that there are multiple ways of avoiding it, like not opening certain threads or taking a break - very much optional and easy choices to make
    vs
    Suggesting that someone drops a lifelong commitment to supporting their football team and stops doing that to go and watch a different club, one they have no emotional connection with, just because they have issues with the current brand of football being played and concerns over the long term prospects of the club they love and have made a massive financial commitment to supporting.
    Rather a long distance from being the same thing.
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    Tyler Durden reacted to Leeds Ram in Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?   
    Not sure if this a great joke or a serious post.... If it's serious, then it's absolutely bonkers. At what point can we start critiquing the decisions made by Clowes? Is there a sell-by date where saving the club loses its power for us to say Warne is the wrong man? Of course, every derby fan will forever be grateful to Clowes for saving the club. How could we not be. But that doesn't mean thinking every move he makes is right, nor do we lose our right as fans to have our say. If we take anything from the Morris era, it should be that allowing an owner carte blanche for whatever reason is a lousy idea. 
    So far on the big calls I'd say he's 0-3. I thought he was wrong to oust Rosenior after 10 games, wrong to bring Paul Warne in, and wrong to keep Pearce around. On the plus side, he's stabilised the club, not been reckless with the cash and seems to have brought a much better culture with him at the club. 
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    Tyler Durden got a reaction from LazloW in Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?   
    He's given the opportunity to the same posters to create yet another duplicate thread to regurgitate their thoughts about Warne (as if anyone was actually in any doubt)
    Got to be a winner 
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    Tyler Durden reacted to ilkleyram in Derby v Carlisle (A) Match Thread   
    There are a number of contributors to these pages, genuine fans all I’m pretty sure, whose informed and interesting views I have enjoyed reading over the years but whose opinion of our manager is consistently less than positive, couched always in terms of ‘I want him and the team to do well, but….’  The latest ‘but’ appears to be his use (or non-use) of academy players.
    Are we really all so cynical nowadays that we don’t believe what we’re being told in interviews or have we just stopped listening?
    Warne has explained how much benefit he will get as manager from an academy player breaking through into the first team.  It’s in his interest for that to happen as it stretches his budget and allows him to spend more elsewhere.  Even if you (mistakenly imo) believe that he’s not ‘interested’ in young players, surely you can understand that he might be keen to extend his financial reach and recruit more widely?
    He’s explained - and we have the photos to prove it happens - that players from the academy join in first team training sessions so that he and his staff can look at them but also so that the players themselves get a taste of the requirements of being a first team member.  He’s explained that they have to perform, to make the most of their opportunity.  Hasn't football, at all levels, always been the same?  It’s dog eat dog.  You have to perform all the time, now more than ever. Those who work hard, and not necessarily the most talented, get to have careers.  Twas ever thus
    Hasn’t he said that he has to be sure that a young player won’t be destroyed by the experience of playing in the first team?  In these somewhat softer times aren’t we all aware of the mental health of individuals in a very tough work place - David Clowes directly referred to it in relation to Rosenior, for example.  Warne has said that he has seen a player’s career destroyed by being thrown in at the deep end too soon; Will Hughes (for example) was introduced gently - played on the wing/played for a few minutes at the end of a game before he was allowed to play regularly.  I was there at Steve Powell’s full debut v Liverpool.  It wasn’t his actual debut if I recall correctly.  But Steve (like Tom Huddleston) was a freak of football nature - a 16 year old in a man’s body, steeped in football from his father and with the mental strength to go with it.  There’s a reason that boys very rarely play men’s professional football. Shouldn’t we be glad that a senior member of our management team has the long term career prospects of our youngest players at heart rather than short term gain?  If you were a parent of someone coming through wouldn’t you want your son (or daughter) to be looked after?  We’re a tough crowd in a tough business and I don’t want a player destroyed by a poor performance in front of a Pride Park crowd. I want a manager to play someone when he thinks that player is ready, not before, and if he errs on the side of caution then good. Better that than destroying a career.
    And what experience do our current academy players have to bring?  It’s not a winning experience, that’s for sure.  And lest anyone thinks I’m criticising, I’m not.  The academy was pillaged to help us have a club to support.  16/17/18 year olds couldn’t cope with under 21 football last season and they’re struggling again this season despite additions, so how are they going to cope with League 1 football? But Warne has described the regular meetings he and his staff have with those in charge of the academy (and recruitment) where they discuss who is ready for the opportunity, initially to train with the first team and then to show what they can do.  Shouldn’t we applaud that approach?
    By all means criticise Warne for team selection or substitutions or formations or whatever if you want to but let’s not manufacture a lack of interest in young players coming through our academy as (yet) another stick to beat him with
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    Tyler Durden got a reaction from David Graham Brown in Warne: what would it take?   
    To try and add a bit of balance to the predictable preceding posts I've always thought that not reaching the playoffs at the end of this season would be catastrophic for Mr Warne.
    I'm all for tangible progress and despite the tedious threads about what has Warne achieved in his past year if he didn't generate an improved final league position relative to last year then this would make me seriously consider his position at the club. 
    That's just reaching the playoffs, if we performed abjectly in them after managing to reach them then this again would present a huge question mark for me. 
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    Tyler Durden reacted to G STAR RAM in Derby v Carlisle (A) Match Thread   
    Because they dont want to see it, because it would not fit with their agenda?
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    Tyler Durden reacted to Curtains in Derby v Carlisle (A) Match Thread   
    Maybe some fans think that they won’t be trained in the right styles of football.  I am not passing an opinion on that lol.  See what I did there. 
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    Tyler Durden reacted to Foreveram in Derby v Carlisle (A) Match Thread   
    Only three more days and they’ll be a new match to argue about 😂
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