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Here we go! 

Yes I did, win lose or draw I support my Derby County, having watched every game as a supporter during 4 relegation seasons, last season was not that hideous, I will continue to support my club wherever they are and whichever league they are in, because that is what real supporters do.
(Rant over)
 

Well yesterday guys pain management final got into contact with me they rang my mum phone as just easier for me well guys towards end of july I got to go for another cov 19 test but then I am having neve blocking injections but once my cov19 test been done then I have to self isolate which means I will miss both pre season friendly sigh.
Wish me look guys I just hope these injections work but I am facing my fear of needles I got a feeling going to hurt like hell.

It's on here, DE56. Belper postcode.

Are people seriously moaning about a player putting in the hard yards in the summer, enjoying their football and showing a desire to be in the team?
No one is suggesting he's the only player doing it but Jesus surely we should be commending the lad for showing some bloody passion and desire to get back fit!!!
But no, we have to pull him down and say, well others will be, and his sessions aren't that hard, or he's got a seven year old keeper.... So what, he's practising a thing called technique....
FFS this forum.... 

Spot on, the guy was class and dignity personified in very difficult circumstances. He deserves all the luck in the world in his next job. 

Whatever his future intentions are he conducted himself with dignity and class whilst at our club …our first ever foreign manager and for me never really got the backing that other managers got like Clement buying poo ? 
had a lot to put up with it seems with the whole Keogh fiasco and a squad short of top quality when he took over but think he helped our youngsters a lot 
really wanted him to succeed here but think the whole Rooney thing helped derail things ….I wish the bloke every success in the future 

For an organisation to approve and sign off on accounts for 3 seasons, to then turn round and say hold up, you know how we approved those accounts? Yeah, we don’t anymore and decided we want to retrospectively punish you by relegating you. 
Whatever your thoughts on Mel, the signings, appointments the colour of his shoes, this is just insanity, it honestly is and it’s vindictive insanity even taking club bias out.
This case should worry every single owner, manager and fan of clubs under the shambolic EFL pyramid.
Including that Championship club where the owner owns another club over in Greece, transferring players between each other to circumvent FFP restrictions without even trying to hide it and the EFL are blind to it.
Our real crime here let’s be honest is being better than Middlesbrough one season, that’s the big issue here. 
We’ve upset this little bloke up North sat in his half empty stadium so much he’s had his lawyers out to shake the EFL suits up.
Then you have that Karen Maguire over on Twitter sticking his great big spoon into the mix as it gives him a hard on and appearances on rogue radio stations and podcasts.
Absolute joke.
Nobody from the EFL will read this, but if somehow you do, fine yourself, fine yourself for being an inept organisation and if you’re serious about looking out for the best interests of the member clubs, sell up, hand the leagues over as you have shown time after time you are incapable of running them, you’re an embarrassment.
#FuckTheEFL

Yep, its time for us all to stick together. #WeAreAllDerby

Noticed some people having a go .
We are Derby fans and we should stick together and back the Club 
Its easy to be derogatory about the owners in this situation but the real enemy is the EFL 
They are an absolute joke of an institution and don’t get me started on Steve Gibson and Wycombe Wanderers

I love Festy and his style. I really hope he has a great career (with us preferably). So glad he’s signed, although it’s just one more year, so hope he can push into the first team and earn that contract.

If 4000 supporters donate the price of one match ticket £25 we would raise the 100k. I would gladly do it. Think it would say a lot and raise a lot of positive publicity if paid with an open letter to the press stating our disgust at the way the efl are behaving. Any money raised over the target sum to be donated to breast and prostrate cancer research. I would gladly pay. 

Agree wholly with the first part of your post.
However, it makes me want to stand up and be counted in support of my club. 

Lampard is certainly (mostly) squeaky clean enough for the FA. And he'd easily do a better job than Southgate. You do wonder if the players really buy into the stuff Southgate comes out with. I can't see them being happy with some of his selections and set-ups.
There's so much English talent out there, but we've seen little of it so far. Southgate = Boothroyd, just the other end of the footballing coaching spectrum. IMO.

The way Scotland are celebrating a 0-0 draw shows that we should not be playing 2 DM’s.
Not interested in playing it safe, looking for the best route into the knockout stages, if we’re going to win this tournament, we’re going to have to beat the better teams at some point.
So why not use the attacking talent we have, destroy this group and go into the knockout stages full of confidence.
As many of you know, I’ve never been a huge Southgate fan, was forced to hold my hands up and apologise for the scathing post I made….but feels like it’s coming round full circle.
Predicted Lampard will take over after this tournament for a long time, way things are going I’m even more confident this will happen.

Unfair. Scotland played very well as a team.

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/sport/19290294.callum-guy-sweeps-board-carlisle-uniteds-end-of-season-awards/
Callum Guy has swept the board in Carlisle United's end-of-season awards.
The midfielder has added four more prizes to the News & Star readers' player of the year trophy he picked up yesterday.
Guy has also been voted supporters' player of the season in the official vote run by the club.
London Branch supporters also voted Guy as United's top player of 2020/21, as did users of thecumbrians.net forum.
Guy, 24, also earned the accolade from his team-mates by being named players' player of the season at Brunton Park.

That evening picture is iconic. Dark and then suddenly seeing the floodlights and hearing the crowd...great memories.

Under-23 squad players out of contract beyond summer of 2021 and leaving the club: Joe Bateman, Cameron Cresswell, Bradley Foster, Harry Halwax, Jahmal Hector-Ingram, Callum Minkley, Jayden Mitchell-Lawson, Josh Shonibare, George Sykes-Kenworthy, Ethan Wassall, Matthew Yates.
Some good young players available here. Thanks for your time at Derby County and I hope you get fixed up soon.???⚽️?
 
 

And as has been stated before, it's almost impossible to create a Champions League side from a single academy (Ajax?) whereas producing 4 or 5 ex academy players who can compete at Championship level is a far less daunting task.
Folk (general observation, not yourself) also need to grasp that it's not necessarily an either / or scenario. Far from it. There's no reason at all we can't look to sharpen up our recruitment of senior pros at the same time as developing young talent in-house. In fact, I'd say that's precisely what we should be aiming for.  

You keep saying this but as several people have already stated in this thread, it's not an either/or situation. We cannot spend the money we save on the academy without falling foul of FFP. 
We have had to rely on the Academy because our recruitment has been poor, injuries have hit us hard and at the same time covid arrived, deflating the value of our young players. It doesn't mean that having an academy is wrong. 
Ideal world we grow our own and recruit to complement them, selling only those who outgrow us. I have less confidence in that recruitment than in the academy continuing to produce good players for many years to come. 
I am not sure why you keep going back to the academy model being the problem when you state yourself it is really the recruitment that is at fault.
 

My reply wasn't really directed at you so much but my view is that it's a process and it takes time buddy. I may be the eternal optimist but I think this is the season where we will start to see really significant benefits. It may sound counter-intuitive, but the hard season some of the lads just endured will serve them well in the future.
I don't think this speaks to the systems being flawed so much as the vast majority of clubs plumping for the right here, right now model, for better or worse. We've tried that too and look where it got us. Long term sustainability is the aim here in the fashion achieved by Southampton. To me the risk profile is significantly lower but that's just my opinion.
Our best prospects walked buddy. You can't keep players who are not on pro contracts. The likes of Hughes and Hendrick were manager brainfarts but Mel can't win here as if he intercedes and insists we keep them, he gets accused of meddling. If he gives his managers autonomy, he gets blamed for that too.
Where have I said it is? I'm defending the academy set up or it this thread only for those who hold a opinion that it's not sustainable? I thought the point of the OP was to invite commentary ?‍♂️

Good debate started by the OP here. I don’t think it’s black and white as to whether we should place such emphasis on the academy or not. Ultimately it is about being sustainable and the only way to do that is through good value recruitment, players of the right age or on the right terms with a hunger and desire to prove themselves or an unrealised talent or through bringing through academy players. Spending big transfers and wages on senior pros unlikely to get good resale value is precisely why we’re struggling to comply with FFP. We needed to get promoted and we didn’t.
The days of splashing the cash are gone so the only way we can progress is recruitment of the right characters at bargain priced supplemented by academy players. This means shopping in Scotland, League 1 and 2 given Brexit might make the European market more of a challenge. It will take time as it did under Nigel Clough and there will be signings that work and signings that don’t but hopefully we won’t be mortgaged to the hilt with them if we can buy at the right value.
The positive is the academy is in a very good place. Forget Delap, Gordon and the lads that went to United, they may all turn out to be superstars but we don’t need that. Hughes and Hendrick were key to our 13/14 and 14/15 team, they are not superstar quality (although I still think Will could play in a top 6 team and get some England caps - think there’s a bargain there for one of the clubs fighting for Europe). I think Knight will easily match and possibly surpass Hendrick and I think that time will come in the next couple of years. Buchanan  probably has the most potential of the current crop, remember this was his first season really in professional football, can attack and defend, I think he will be better than Bogle for example. Anyone thinking Bird won’t make it look at his performances in second half of last season under Cocu when he was being talked about as the next young star of the championship and being linked with Chelsea. Sibley has shown what he can do in the right system, then the next crop of unprovens, McDonald and Ebsoele both look talents, Stretton scores goals and has pace to burn, Watson also looks a big talent and they are just tut ones we’ve seen in the first team. We’ve never had the sheer volume of academy talent as we have right now. From what I’ve seen I think all the players I mention could become very good championship lower prem players as a minimum. This isn’t Nathan Doyle, Jamie Hanson, Pablo Mills Callum Ball level ability, these lads are far better. 
 
There are no guarantees as mentality and luck with injuries comes into it but these lads have ability and with the right senior pros alongside them, even if we lose a couple of them to the premier league we could at some point have a very good side to compete again. Might take a couple of seasons of bottom half scrapping relegation though which means we need some bargain freebies or ugly dogged seniors pros on short term deals to help get us through while these talents still develop.

The academy approach when done right also leads to success. See the likes of southampton a few years ago.