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4 minutes ago, Barney1991 said:

Problem is with our current manager it doesn’t matter how good the academy players are he will not use them to improve. The efl trophy was a great time to get them some competitive football yet we still constantly use the older generation. Like with previous recruitment I have no idea what the actual plan is 

Agree. This goes all the way back to the philosophy in appointing Warne, and our competing priorities at the time - Going up at the earliest opportunity vs Rebuilding the club for the future. Those goals aren't necessarily compatible in the short term and in appointing Warne we effectively gave him free rein to get us up at all costs. If it works, great. If it doesn't then we're effectively wasted two years.

1 minute ago, eddielewis said:

Which is why I think the sort of think the set up we kind of have with Warne greatly influencing the recruitment is kind of old fashioned. If you look at the modern examples of successful living within their means Luton, Brighton, Brentford (theres more examples these are the most successful) they have all had a common link in which the recruitment is taken away from the manager nearly entirely. They have had managers come and go and it's not fazed them one bit. They have never had replace a whole XI because the new manager can't work with them. Managers kind come third now with philosophy - players - coach just because they usually last less than the players nowadays.

What happens to the recruitment when we lose Warne be it a sacking or moving to another club. Do we hire another Manager that plays the same as Warne or do we go another route and have to sign players to match that Managers style. I just don't think our recruitment set up is future proofed.

I think DC was caught between a rock and a hard place, and that manifests itself in our general approach - Warne was appointed with a singular goal - get us out of this league and back into the Champ. Warne has a track record of being able to do that within narrow confines. I think DC has given Warne enough rope on the assumption that he'd know what to do with it. 

The problem is that the goal of getting out of the league at the earliest opportunity is at odds with rebuilding the club organically. DC pitched his tent and chose his poison when he appointed Warne. Now, we just have to hope it was the right way. There's definite benefit in getting us up, but if he doesn't then we're no further forward than we were two years ago.

1 minute ago, Barney1991 said:

That’s where our summer window should have been. Getting players in at the right age to improve through coaching and sell with a profit to reinvest. Apart from bird or cashin we don’t have any saleable assets to sell and invest the money so we are reliant on clowes dipping into his pocket 

Going to take a while to fix that. If we're not recruiting players to profit from at some point then it puts even more onus on the Academy working and feeding talent through. There's some great prospects in the youth ranks at the moment but we're still rebuilding, even at that level, so it'll be a while before we see a constant line of players coming through. Even then, we need to work them into the squad, and then the team, to start ramping up their value. Players like Brown, Fapetu, Weston etc are the furthest forward but they're not ready yet. 

The club was saved but in many ways we're still having to start again from somewhere just north of "scratch".

3 minutes ago, ramit said:

On the other hand, if we do go up this season, short contracts on players not quite at Championship level is a good thing.

I think if we went up this season then we'd have a rebuild job on our hands over the summer either way.

Hearing that the recruitment team are focused on the summer window - hope they're covering both eventualities when identifying their targets. Knowing our luck, we'll get promoted and then spend half the summer having to re-assess when it becomes clear that we'd planned for another season in League One...

Just now, TomTom92 said:

The deal works for all parties. The issue is when was the transfer completed?

I believe it was in the evening and then we asked for the announcement to be held off on the proviso we brought in a striker to soften the blow. If i'm wrong and the monies didn't transfer until past 11 then out of spite i'd have cancelled the deal and let them face a battle for his signature. However i have no evidence but i reckon i'm not far off with my theory.

If we were aware of Bristol's interest before yesterday, which we obviously were, then we should probably have laid down the law - "You have until midnight on the 30th to get this done or it isn't happening, we'll take our chances at tribunal in the summer".

That being said, even if the monies were transferred at 2259, we could have just done the same with any club we'd agreed a deal for a striker with.

I think the issue is that the deal happening on the last day mean't that most if not all of our targets had already moved elsewhere. Then we were left scrambling around and because we'd made it public knowledge that we were desperate for a striker certain other club(s) tried to take advantage.

I think the only things we could really have done much differently would have been to prioritize a striker over the other two roles and used whatever £££ we did have in the pot to secure one. And, we definitely shouldn't have let Brown go out on loan until we'd got someone else signed and sealed. Brown might not be ready for regular first team action, but in the event of Collins being unavailable and neither Waggy or Wash being back then he'd have been a better prospect than playing someone out of position.

8 minutes ago, YouRams said:

People forget it's not just a football move it's their life too. Still a young lad moving to a nice city, much better night life than Derby and his mates there. Derbys turning into a bigger **** hole year by year, people will blame Warne for not attracting players but I'm sure the city has a big part to play in it too.

Unfortunately for Derby we're in a "Switzerland" situation.

Nottingham to the north. Leicester to the south. Stoke to the west. It's like living in the nicest house in 1945 Hiroshima...

3 minutes ago, Spanish said:

So by that we sold him now because we think we would get less in the summer?  Obviously Bristol disagree.  Surely they would only do that if they think they would have had to fight off competition in the summer.  I always thought there was no way to accurately predict what the independent tribunal would assess the training compensation to be

Or they may have thought that there'd be more competition for him in the summer. Probably clear to them yesterday that no one else was in for him so they saw a chance to get their man, signed, sealed and delivered now rather than face the cr*pshoot in the summer.

31 minutes ago, TomTom92 said:

Okay the Bird money going in to the summer pot. But the league next season will be stronger. 

All 3 relegated teams will be up there, 5 of the current top 8 will be up there, Wrexham with their wonga and then the likes of Wigan and Reading if they get their acts together. IMO any funds would've been better spent yesterday at least partly to see if we can go up and avoid the royal rumble of next season. 

Given the number of players out of contract in the summer we're going to have another rebuild job on our hands. With that comes the "they need time to gel" thing - If we don't go up this season there's probably a sub-conscious admission that we won't challenge next season either way.

Not really sure how long folks expect Max to hang around. He's a decent young player who needs to start making his mark at a higher level sooner rather than later otherwise he's going to find a good chunk of his career done and he's in the third tier.

This season was a real opportunity to get ourselves out of this sh** league while it's relatively weaker. Next season will be harder re competition, and with so many players out of contract in the summer we're looking at another near-full team rebuild, which will bring the obligatory "the new players need time to gel" factor. So from Max's perspective you can probably write off next season as well.

For those comparing Derby and Bristol, I'm sorry, but the foreseeable there is no comparison, they're a much better prospect. Yes, eventually they'll re-find their level, and so will we, but for the immediate future if you're a young player looking to push on it's like chalk and cheese. 

3 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Last time I checked Charlton, Bristol City, Cardiff, Blackpool, Peterborough, Nottingham, Sunderland and Luton were all outside of Yorkshire… 🤪

Yeah but none of them are our first card on the Rolodex.... 😆

1 minute ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Aye, naive and limited scope in theory. However rumours we were in for the lad from Blackburn who ended up at Stoke so perhaps we did try for others. 

At least we've moved on from Rotherham.

One day we might even escape the Yorkshire bubble completely....

7 minutes ago, ramit said:

<Davros> has one job, to get us out of this league.

It doesn't have to be pretty.

Urgh, Billy Davies trauma flashback abounds! 😧

Does feel like we spent far too long playing footsie with Sheff Wed. Should have speed-dated our way onto other options much earlier.

For one transfer deadline I just wanted to go to bed relatively hate-free. Was that too much to ask for.....? 🥹

1 minute ago, S8TY said:

god help us now if Collins gets injured ….farcical it really is 

Barnsley away towards the end of the month. If I were them I'd kick Collins off the park.

4 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

If only we had a whole month to sort it and not just 24 hours!

Yeah but that's the point. If we're reliant on other players going out first and we only get a bid within the last 24 hours then it doesn't really leave us with many options, as we're now seeing. Players we were interested in aren't going to hang around on the off-chance that we might find a spare fiver down the back of the sofa.

In hindsight we should probably have prioritized a striker over another winger, and used the creative payment method there if we could.

Just now, MaltRam said:

The Bird offer will have been bubbling on for weeks.

True, but we couldn't really do anything until £££'s changed hands. In the meantime our targets have seemingly all gone elsewhere.

Victims of the business plan in this window. 

We clearly had targets but couldn't pursue them, or got outbid until we had outgoings. Just our luck that an offer comes in at the 11th hour and we seemingly have no time to do anything with the £££ and most, if not all, of our identified targets have already moved somewhere.

I'm guessing, had Bristol's offer for Bird come in earlier in the window things would have looked considerably different/rosier.

Do we ever get any ****ing luck in transfer windows? 🙄

40 minutes ago, hintonsboots said:

You joke but that's probably our Plan Z for a new striker....

3 minutes ago, angieram said:

 

We're not so much shopping from the middle aisle as checking what's fallen down between the shelves in the middle aisle....

I just look forward to the day when we DON'T have a disappointing January transfer window. I can't really remember the last one that generated even a modicum of excitement tbh 😞

1 minute ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu&#x27;sNesta said:

I've no issue with the deal to let Bird go. Whatever, nobody stays forever (apart from our boy Fozzy).

My issue will be with us doing something stupid like caving in to Chansiri because our recruitment only appear to be working from a map of Yorkshire.

I’d rather us save the £££ and take our chances than give Sheff Wed a penny.

25 minutes ago, therealhantsram said:

What a coach he was. Watching England was a miserable experience before El Tel.

And how many English coaches have ever made the transition to coach abroad and with success too.

Is there an argument that he's the greatest ever English coach?

That Bobby Robson chap wasn't too bad either....

Still remember that summer of '96 fondly. After the bilge that Taylor dished up during his reign, Venables' attractive attacking football was a breath of fresh air. 

Who will ever forget Gazza making a complete c**t out of Colin Hendry? Who will ever forget the absolute destruction of the Netherlands? Made all the better for conceding that late goal to send the sweaties out...... 😆

RIP Tel, and thanks for the memories.