Millenniumram

24 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said:

2 signings in a day

2 signings that rejected contracts from their current employers to join us

this is a bad day for the “paul warne has no pull” brigade

 

were here for u lads, we’re here for u 😂

I mean one of them worked for Warne before so I don’t think anyone doubted he would sign here.

Ward is a more promising sign that players might actually want to come here. It’s still only a player turning down league one offers though - we had players turning down Championship clubs for Rosenior. Let’s see what the rest of the window brings.

39 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said:

But millennium doesnt rate him 😂

Again, at no point have I said I don’t rate him. As said I have concerns about the signing. 

His stats look pretty decent, and I did look into them, but you do have to careful how much judgement you make with them.

Ill wait until I see him in a Derby shirt.

1m is really disappointing for Bielik. I know he’s had his injuries, but I’d really be hoping to get closer to 3m. His quality is unbelievable. Genuinely think there’s a top half Prem player in there when fit.

1.5m is laughable for Knight. Given his international and Championship experience I would want more like 4m. I hope we’re pushing Bristol hard.

2 minutes ago, CBX1985 said:

Who would you sign, then?

 

I’d have gone for Fankaty Dabo, based on his experience at a higher level.

13 minutes ago, Kernow said:

To be fair nearly every player at this level will have negative comments. Nobody at Wednesday was fussed about leaving Wildsmith, who never established himself there and he was one of our best players last season.

I think there’s a small pool of players within our reach, who are also good enough to compete at the top of L1, in positions like RWB.

Like you’ve said before, a lot of comments about what he is or isn’t good at is opinion. The facts are we’ve taken a key player from a promotion rival who offered him a 3-year-deal at the same time as they put half of their squad up for sale, including the league’s top scorer.

I think he’s a good signing for where we are at the moment. 3 years might be a bit long as I very much hope we progress as a club beyond his ceiling in that time.

True, but to be fair Wildsmith hadn’t played that much for Wednesday. This guy has made like 200 appearances for Peterborough, so you’d expect their fans to have seen what he’s capable of.

I don’t necessarily think he will fail, no one knows that but it’s not a signing I would have made. That’s my opinion. I feel like there should be players out there with a higher ceiling as you say, who would be willing to join us.

8 minutes ago, jameso said:

If you think I'm criticising you for holding an opinion on the signing, let alone a different opinion from my own, then either I haven't made my point clearly enough or you haven't read it carefully enough.

You made the classic line of giving the player a chance, implying that someone who’s not enamoured by the signing won’t give him a chance. That’s not true.

On 13/05/2023 at 17:30, Millenniumram said:

I’ve heard:

Warne wants a full rebuild in midfield. Knight, Bird and Hourihane to be sold for funds.

McGoldrick doesn’t want to renew. Will go to Notts County if they’re promoted.

We want to sign Wes Harding and Josh Vickers (backup GK) from Rotherham.

Heard this one a while back. Solid signing as back up to Wildsmith. Has some League One experience, and perhaps a slight upgrade on McGee.

2 minutes ago, Kernow said:

That’s a pretty bold spin on it. They offered him a 3 year deal because they would’ve tried to sell him at a time where any club could just offer him a contract to sign him for free anyway?

Whatever the offers were, playing time, money etc, he’s rejected Posh for us. Same as NML and Wildsmith did last season with Wednesday.

We won’t know the circumstances around it, but Peterborough felt him worth keeping for another 3 years after already being there for 5 years, so he must be regarded fairly highly there by some people at least.

“The club have offered Joe Ward a new three-year contract and are awaiting a response from the long-serving player.”

https://www.theposh.com/news/posh-confirm-number-players-available-transfer

 

Fair play, hadn’t seen they’d disclosed it as 3 year deal. Unusual for a club to do that, but their chairman is a bit of an oddball.

I retract my comment on him being released. Their fans concerns are still worrying though.

1 minute ago, Andicis said:

My opinion is he was offered a new deal, clearly there was competition for his signature, clearly from us so it would seem that posh wanted to keep him. Your initial concept was that he was rubbish because in your words he was released. You were of course wrong. As normal, negatively spinning everything derby related to fit a rubbish agenda.

There you go, attacking me again because I don’t share your views on Warne. You do realise it’s people like you who create the animosity in this place by not allowing others to share their views, not supposedly “negative” people like me.

I never said he was rubbish. I’ve barely seen him play. I said I’m concerned by the comments from fans of his previous club, and on paper it’s a bit of a disappointing signing. I also said I hope he proves my fears wrong and performs well for us. I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

Also, the only thing Derby County related Im negative about at the moment is Warne. I’m delighted with the way Clowes is running the club otherwise - bringing in a head of recruitment and new academy manager were two things I was really keen to see. I have full trust in him, unlike Mel Morris. Who conveniently I was right to doubt, despite your attacks on me for my views about him as well.

4 minutes ago, jameso said:

Nice pigeonholing. 

Is it possible that there can be some nuance to this topic that doesn't boil down to whether you've nailed your colours to the mast and can't assess anything on the evidence because of a tribal loyalty either to Warne or against him?

As discussed, "their fans (who) seem to hate him" aren't all of their fans.

As also discussed (including in your "time will tell" comment), maybe we should give him (and Warne in the transfer market) a chance?

Who says I’m not giving him a chance? He may turn out to be excellent for us. Just saying I’m disappointed on paper and he wouldn’t be one I’d have signed. Be a pretty boring discussion if none of us have an opinion on the signing.

Just now, Andicis said:

Again, you're spinning it. He felt he wanted a chance elsewhere and rejected it. You've got no bloody clue what they offered him, you didn't even know he'd been offered a deal until just now. 

And how do you know that? You spoken to him or something? 

The point I’m making is I don’t know and neither do you. You can see it either way based on the knowledge we have. My opinion is as valid as yours based on no evidence.

1 minute ago, Andicis said:

You can't really, the line that he was released was demonstrably wrong. Hence why I replied to you. That's not an opinion. 

I meant more on the fans views front. It’s your opinion that their skewed by the playoff game.

I didn’t know he had been offered a deal. Point still remains though how much they fought to keep him, it may have been a poor offer in an attempt to keep him and sell him. Nobody knows Peterborough’s intentions.

6 minutes ago, Andicis said:

His contract ran out, they offered him a new deal which he rejected. He was not released. Their fans opinions are clouded due to the Wednesday game. 

You can choose to read into it either way. You take the glass half full approach as you’re a Warne fan, I take the glass half empty approach as a Warne critic.

Never going to agree, but only time will tell on his Derby career.

21 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

What did he get right, that we would only sign a wing back on loan…

He did call Joe Ward at lunchtime tbf

Not exactly a great looking signing on paper. Released by Peterborough and their fans seems to hate him - and I do think fans views hold some credit, they watch players every week after all. Was hoping for better really.

That said, he appears to be a natural RWB so fills a massive hole in our side which has been present since Ebosele left last summer. He’s certainly better than our next best option there (Oduroh) in any case, so just hope he proves my initial fears about him wrong. Welcome to the club Joe!

Big Trav got something right. This changes everything I knew about the world.

Maybe Paul Warne isn’t just a fitness coach in a bobble hat after all? 

57 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

England are genuinely world class now. We were the better side against France when we lost in the World Cup.

I think we will go into Euro 2024 as favorites. 

 

So much talent in the side. Kane the best number 9 in the world for me. Saka and Bellingham edging towards being world class. 

Superb from England tonight. Macedonia aren’t great, but they’re not terrible. We made them look like San Marino. 

Very Impressive start to what looked on paper a tough qualification campaign.

17 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said:

32 year old Danny Rose? Who hasn't played for a year and on last look was overweight?

That’s why he said watch out for him. Don’t want him to bump into you with all those pounds

1 hour ago, Big Trav said:

2 Signings tomorrow 🙂

Well we know one day we definitely won’t be signing anyone 😉

12 hours ago, therealhantsram said:

Depends if we can bring in any academy players. Plange and Ebiowei both came in having been released from other academies and quickly stepped up to the 1st team. I hope we pick up a few gems this way.

That’s a good point of course, and I’m sure Hale will be extremely busy right now trying to recruit the best talent let go by other academies. It’s our only hope of rebuilding the decimated academy at the moment, particularly the U21 team. 

But there’s usually a reason these players are willing to join our academy - because they’re not yet ready for first team football at this level. That’s not to say they won’t be in the future - there’s countless examples of players bouncing back to reach a higher level than the club that released them as a kid. But I don’t think we can be relying on those sorts of players next season too much.

You will get the odd player who breaks through quicker than expected, and hopefully we do, but it won’t be the 4/5 needed to complete the squad. Plange and Ebiowei “broke through” because we had no other options - I’d suggest their career trajectories since suggest they weren’t actually ready. The only example I can thing of in recent times that truly broke through in their first season is Rooney, who genuinely overtook more senior teammates in Stearman and Davies through his performances in cup ties. 

1 hour ago, NottsRam77 said:

Well he said we’re really close on 3 so clearly he does 

 

 

He said similar in January and we just ended up with Toby Springett, who was about as good at football as me

4 minutes ago, CBX1985 said:

I think a massive team is expensive.  I  think we have a budget.  I think by spending our money on who is going to play rather than sitting on the bench is a good idea.  I think building a solid match team is the way to go, and if required dip into the U21.

I get the impression with you that you think we are flushed for cash.  We are not. 

A massive team is not necessarily expensive. Otherwise most teams wouldn’t have more than 18 players, which is clearly not the case. And I don’t mean a massive Forest Esque squad anyway, clearly that’s stupid, I just mean a regular sized squad bigger than the paper thin one we had last year.

Nobody is saying spend loads of money on backup players. But they do need to be there. Otherwise when injuries hit  (and they will), we’ll be ducked. The U21 team doesn’t exist. 

Relative to the rest of the league, we’re not poor. We’re not financially struggling to compete.