Norman

Well, you know what a lot expect, which is that we're ok against teams like Serbia (and no doubt Denmark and Slovenia) but if a team moves forward against us with pace and one-touch passing we will struggle.
As do most teams tbf....

We didn't play well, obviously.
I'm not a fan of the very deep press we do. We don't press until a team is within our own half. It makes us so deep. But then again, it makes us compact and we got a clean sheet. So what do I know.

Might sell more if their spelling was better. 

Cool story bro. 

I'm kind of worried about next season, but if PW is saying he didn't have a top 6 budget at Rotherham in League 1, then he must have had the lowest budget in the Championship. So going off those seasons at Rotherham isn't really a good indicator, other than he had them nearly surviving both times.

VAR has completely ruined football.

Football Manager has done this to us. 
Any one over 28 and I bin them off for a wonderkid on my shortlist.

Football Manager has done this to us. 
Any one over 28 and I bin them off for a wonderkid on my shortlist.

If we ever get to see some sun this year, this hat actually isn't that bad 😛
 
 

Ffs you sad b4stards take your bickering elsewhere. 
 
I log in and see this thread has 2 more pages since I last logged in I expect to see at least one transfer rumour. 
 
Useless. 

It's not really odd though, those terms are being thrown about because it's true to those people's experience of posting on here. My own engagement with the forum has very much been affected by it, and I'm certainly not just making it up.
 
(very long post incoming)
Everyone's allowed an opinion just long as they remember that a group of about 10 posters (not including yourself) have decided which opinions are the correct opinions, and that if you have a view that doesn't align with them - or if you offer up any kind of critical thought whatsoever that puts even the slightest doubt on the agreed narrative -  you should expect to be mercilessly ganged up on, ridiculed, accused of trying to ruin the mood for others etc. Every slight criticism (and even stuff which isn't a criticism) will be portrayed as a stick you're beating the manager with.
All 'Kevin' had to do yesterday was point out that Warne didn't take over the squad in a decimated state (fact) and that most teams would be more than happy with the squad we assembled in a few short weeks (fact) and there was a whole page of rebuttal, piss taking and propaganda in response within a few hours.
Aside from a very remote few (including yourself), nobody else will take the time to try to understand where someone's coming from with their post before attacking it, or to consider that they may have some valid points, they'll just try to find the first thing they can jump on and dismiss both the person and their opinion. 
If you're extra lucky you'll get someone publicly praying that you get banned from the forum. Lovely behaviour.
If you don't like it then apparently you should just suck it up, grow a pair, stop being oversensitive etc ("it's your problem"), stick people on ignore and just allow yourself and anyone else willing to put their head above the parapet to be rudely and aggressively dismissed (as was pointed out earlier about one particularly egregious offender), talked to like you're an idiot, and be subject to countless, mostly unprovoked (unless of course you count someone having a different opinion to the echo chamber as provocation), insidious little digs worded carefully enough not to fall foul of the rules of the board. 
Anyone who's spoken up about this has been accused of 'playing the victim card', and had a string of laughing emojis directed toward them while the ranks are closed on the notion that there's any kind of bullying (or whatever else you wish to call it) going on. The response to 'bullying' behaviour (again, call it whatever name you're most comfortable with) being called out has been to treat it exactly as a gang of bullies would. It's almost poetic. 
There will be a demand for evidence, but those demanding it know full well that the aforementioned insidious comments aren't directly quotable and and don't stand on their own as examples one can pick out, or report (as useless as it would be to do so when such comments are actively encouraged and perpetrated by some of those who'd see the report), but form the backbone of the hostile and oppressive atmosphere that some of us feel is very much alive and (sadly) thriving on this forum. 
The effect is either that some feel they can't post at all (which then gets picked up on as a 'victory' for shutting up the naysayers), that they have to be careful of what they say (walking on eggshells) or that they feel goaded into responding negatively - which just invites further ridicule. Let's punish and demean people for reacting though, give those who elicit the reaction a big old round of applause and a pat on the back.
Everything positive that's been achieved under Warne gets weaponised, any potential negatives for next season preemptively dismissed before they can even be voiced (and immediately met with ire the second they are), and it looks like that will be the case for as long as he's in charge because some posters simply can't treat others with any degree of civility.
The pretense that all this is all just a response to abuse aimed at Warne or aimed at posters for supporting Warne, or 'fighting back against those who want this to think we had a s*** season'  has long since worn out any validity it may have once had, and even that was utterly disproportionate to begin with. 
This forum is still fun if you look in the right areas, but for the past 6 months or so its largely felt mean spirited, hateful, and almost controlled by posters who's primary thought process is that 'negative' posters are there to be attacked from a position of strength afforded to them by our results. It's really quite dispiriting.
 

So, I was never a Paul Warne fan. I wasn't enthused by the style of play or the players he signed. 
However, the more I hear and read, the more I think he's done a very solid job. Not the bare minimum - but I understand why people would think the latter. 
I've changed my mind because of the following. 
The legacy contracts of Bird and Sibley seem to have been taking up far more of the budget than I thought. Reading posts from @Ambitious, it seems very likely both were on 15k and maybe some more. Then there's the wages of Hourihane. Great leader, but since Wigan away, he's been slowly ambling around like an old moose who's been asked to trample the grass down. Again, from the TalkSport interview, it would seem that there were players on 10k, or a bit more, who didn't really fit the system. 
So, that's a long-winded way of saying that a lot of wages have been tied up in players that we can easily improve on, probably by paying less money. Sibley, as much as i want him to kick-on, isn't worth 15k a week as an average LWB, for example.
I'm expecting, with the addition of Ebou to start things off, a very strong and athletic midfield. The defence needs a good LB and GK. I think both are lined-up and achievable. 
I think PW is the right person to build a squad, on a modest (for this league) budget, that will still be competitive. I wouldn't have said that 3 months a go. 

I knew we'd missed a trick :
"We breached FFP because we couldn't give away Buttercup, Blackman and Marriott. Can we have some retrospective mitigation please Mr Birch?"

Football Manager has done this to us. 
Any one over 28 and I bin them off for a wonderkid on my shortlist.

If that’s the case then Warne going on national radio and stating categorically he wants a better keeper than the ones he had, probably not the biggest vote of confidence. 

I have to agree! 
 
Sometimes I’ll even be annoyed at signing someone who is 26!

Football Manager has done this to us. 
Any one over 28 and I bin them off for a wonderkid on my shortlist.

Football Manager has done this to us. 
Any one over 28 and I bin them off for a wonderkid on my shortlist.

Football Manager has done this to us. 
Any one over 28 and I bin them off for a wonderkid on my shortlist.

Football Manager has done this to us. 
Any one over 28 and I bin them off for a wonderkid on my shortlist.

Football Manager has done this to us. 
Any one over 28 and I bin them off for a wonderkid on my shortlist.

You seem to be suggesting that I'm saying that people are happy with the current state of the squad or that they have 100% faith in Warne at this level. I've said neither. I'm just attempting to justify why people may have the opposite opinion to that. I think that it's more than fair for people to be concerned going into this season, and I certainly don't think the post that @MACKWORTHRAMwas replying to was "mental".
For what it's worth I don't think we can really even begin to predict how we'll do this season until the window has slammed shut. But I don't think we should shoot down people who have concerns, which is definitely happening on this thread and others. As I said previously, Warne's record at this level doesn't fill me with confidence at least, and I personally thought the quality of the football over the course of last season was pretty abject. 

Having read the three favourite Derby players thread…
I just don’t get the whole Bryson thing. Playing-wise, barring one unbelievable season aside he was just a tidy, energetic midfielder who would stretch the play.
Shackell should’ve been POTY in 11/12.
And then off the pitch, he tried to force a move to Burnley in 2014 which resulted in us giving him a contract worth £5,000,000. 

Spot on Alf. There was zero commitment to a 3 year plan that I recall, quite the opposite in fact and quite how folk have used this to arrive at the belief that we'll be signing big names and looking to challenge from year one is beyond me.
Yet again, fans are setting themselves up and more critically, Warne and the players too, for another hard fall and a long season of discontent  and all over a comment he never even made.