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No, we probably won't be paying £1m for a player anytime soon but lets not pretend Warne is operating on a shoestring budget compared to our League One promotion rivals. Clowes says he has a good budget in relation to this division, we brought in players from higher divisions this summer & continue to have high wage earners like Hourihane on the books.
You've sidestepped the point that the clubs you referenced either outperformed Derby under Warne in their first season at this level and/or showed consistent improvement thereafter (albeit two had to fire a manager after 12 months in L1 to achieve this). Maybe you could help explain why we haven't improved in the past 12 months & why we shouldn't mirror Leeds/Southampton by firing Warne?

I agree, we were pretty poor at Bolton. They were too (at finishing) but the crowd could see they'd got the ball, there was effort being put in and got right behind them.
There is a correlation here to the other thread discussion about Warne ball versus Rosenior. We got behind the team then because it always felt like we were on the edge of that breakthrough. Now, we haven't got the ball much so we're just collectively holding our breath.
Or worse.
I've been to every match home and away and there is general grumbling, discontent and some outright abuse.
Even at Burton and Peterborough,  before the goals.

Hit the bar in the first half, Fozzy chance at the back post, Barkhuizen chance near the end and the penalty gets you fairly close to 1.75 xG.

Death by passing to our own guys beats death by passing to their guys.
LR wasn't amazing but you could see what they were trying to be and they weren't that bad at being it, and LR gets credit for putting the squad together after the admin as well as sticking with the club through the admin and it was his first gig as the head coach (OK interim audition period, but he was doing the job until he wasn't).
 

Rosenior’s last game in charge:
Yes, it was excruciating watching Derby dominate the ball and pepper the opposition goal with shots.
Give me long, rushed chaotic forward passes, 40% possession and one shot on target over that rubbish.

Rosenior's football is what you use as a building block toward McClaren's football. In a similar way (but not the same) as Nigel Clough's football was.
All it really lacks is a bit of urgency so the opposition can't just sit-in whilst the ball's played Infront of them, more of a reason to draw them out of position so you can exploit the gaps, with the players letting off the leash a little.
Then again I remember the Lincoln manager saying they really upped their energy levels in the away game that seems to have sealed Rosenior's fate, because they needed to cover so much ground to stop us.
It's always a bit 'nearly there' and tends to stay that way for a bit too long for impatient people to stomach, but the intention is always to at least try to build an attractive team, one which can naturally evolve / improve as you slowly bring in a better quality of player.
It has a far higher ceiling than Warne's football, and may eventually justify the wait if you are willing to sit through it.
Nothing about Warne's football justifies such a wait. It's a building block toward being the best  s******** in town, but instead of  having solid enough foundations in place to advance beyond that it's a s******** built on sand.

Rosenoir was complaining that the team weren't passing quickly enough, that's the direction he wanted.
He also barely had McGoldrick available who was crucial to that style.
 

Yeah, must be awful - I assume their goals for column being comparable with others in top 6 is a misprint?

Bet we never went 250 minutes without a shot on target from open play under him

justifying warne's mediocrity by saying LR was also mediocre is nonsense in my opinion
 
at least LR gave us a vision and something that resembled a plan of action. he may have failed too but we are going nowhere under warne and will need a few transfer windows to clean up his mess.

Unrealistic? What's unrealistic about playing well against league one teams. The Warne apologists on here are getting more and more bizarre.

12 permanent managers...
Davies: 2006-2007
Jewell: 2007-2008
Clough: 2009-2013
Mac1: 2013-2015
Clement: 2015-2016
Pearson: 2016-2016
Mac2: 2016-2017
Rowett: 2017-2018
Lampard: 2018-2019
Cocu: 2019-2020
Rooney: 2020-2022
Warne: 2022-2023
 
Since sacking managers has "got us where we are", it's a shame didn't give Jewell more time as we'd be playign in Europe by now... Or Pearson.. or even Cocu... sometimes you just need to get rid of managers who aren't taking you anywhere.

Fair enough, I must admit to not remembering us hit the bar first half mind.
Can't see barkhuizen chance adding up to much.
Annoyingly,there used to be a guy on twitter that did really good xG timelines for games , but looks like he's given it up.

I'm also quite interested, out of the many players he did bring in this summer, which ones epitomise the 'fast, pressing' game he apparently wants to play? Because it seems to me he brought in quite a lot of older, slower, not-especially-mobile players? And pretty much ignored our midfield (which was designed for passing, not pressing) until signing an unknown (Fornah) at the last minute? What about pressing from the front? Was Washington the magic forward who was going to unlock this bold new strategy? Or was it the 33-year-old Martyn Waghorn?
It's one thing saying we need more time to finish the job, but at the moment I can barely see what he's started. 

Warne’s style is predicated on chaos - catching the opposition out of shape and moving the ball forward quickly. There isn’t much more to it. 
The reason we look so out of sorts at times is that there just isn’t a controlled progression to our play, it’s zero to a hundred. Individualised system. We beat bad teams, we struggle against organised teams. We lack simple game management, anyone who would slow the tempo is told essentially not to do it. They play to the manager’s beat. 
Warne hasn’t helped himself with recruitment. We haven’t signed players suited to percentage football, we’ve carried on signing technical players but we don’t play the ball to feet - they are categorically told to pass into space, not to feet. I get the feeling the players are a little disillusioned with how the club is run, both from coaching point of view and from the top down. How many of our out of contract players are going to want to stick around? Fans too are a little disillusioned. I don’t think the approach/mindset is much different to that under Mel Morris, but just run on a sustainable budget. 
It needs to be said that we are paying people footballers wages, £5-10k a week, whereas teams in this league pay about the same as what a good car salesmen earns - £1.5-2k a week. The disparity is massive. Not in pound and pence, maybe, but definitely in marginality. 

Exactly I mentioned this a couple weeks ago. Before we hired Warne the first footballing thing Clowes should have done was figure out what style of football should this club adopt and what will fans enjoy and then hired a manager who fits that or a director of football to implement this from a wider club standpoint so therefore we are impenetrable from the manager merry go round. Currently we have a plan in which if Warne goes by sacking or if he gets snatched by being successful (if pig's fly!) then what? What direction do we go next?
It's so counter-intuitive to not have every single age group playing the same formation because you have potentially a talent in the youth who could never make his breakthrough because the first teams tactic's are so alien to them. Max Bird is an early example. He's been moulded by playing 4-3-3 learning off Thorne/Huddlestone. From what i've seen of the Under 21 and 18's they both still playing 4-2-3-1. How are we ever going to find out if there is a wing back in the youth for Warne's 5-3-2 if that's the case.
Arguably i think the majority of us enjoy a possession based 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 because that's what we've been used to over the last 10 years that's why Warne's football is so grating to a lot of us because we have not been used to this style of play. You could say patience and time could help it but I just see clear gaps in the future progression of the club on the pitch.
 
 

The fewest shots on target under Rosenior was 2 (Charlton away), but don't let that stop you from making your own stats up.

It is a interesting point you raise.
I think with LR at least you could see the improvements and progress within a short space of time, in terms of entertainment and creating good chances. Was it Fleetwood away where we absolutely destroyed them and somehow we couldn't hit the ball in the net. 30 plus shots or something ridiculous. As a supporter I came away thinking we were highly unlucky and you can see a plan and pattern of play being created.
With Paul Warne there is no plan. There is no pattern of play. He is trying to turn technical footballers into 15km a match athletes. A polite term would be clunky football currently. Today I will give him a pass because he nearly beat a very competitive Portsmouth team. But the football was hideous, we looked like the away side, he is so lucky how many supporters still turn up every week to back him and the team. This squad has so much more to give in my view and yet they are being hampered by a manager who still has not got his head around managing a bigger club. When you come to a larger reputation team like ours, the manager needs to adapt and evolve his ideas. I'm not saying play Pep slick passing football every week. At least if you want to play a counter attacking style, identify and recruit players with pace and energy and not lads in the twilight of their careers.
Lovely chap off the pitch, he could talk my ear off in a pub. Watching his dreadful attempt at football is becoming embarrassing. And I'll cheer the lads until the 98th minute at the ground. If we was an underdog team in this division I could accept the Warne way. With this budget and caliber of player, surely we can play much better than this?

Thank you for saying what I just said in a lot more words.
Patronising not.

I guess you couldn't hear the "Play up Pompey, Pompey play up" then?  Sounded like a home game for them.

"Other reasons" according to Warne, which I took to mean a red card waiting to happen.

Alright I'm gonna be blindly positive and assume that there's been a chat over the international period, the 3-5-2 hoofball is getting ditched and we're moving to a back 4 playing the high intensity attacking football Warne promised when he arrived. We'll thump this lot 3-0, win the league at a canter and we'll all be wearing bobble hats as we lift the league trophy at PP in April. You heard it here first. COYR.

Let's not forget that the amortisation plan was not wrong, the EFL accepted it until that Middlesborough tw*t complained.
It's akin to what Chelsea are doing with their 8 year contracts, the difference is that they aren't going to be punished retrospectively like we were.

I disagree with this. Carefully-worded statements fine, but he is complicit with what happened with Mel, like it or not; fans being distrustful of him is more than understandable. To my knowledge he's never directly made comment on level of involvement, so for all we know him and Mel could have been hand-in-hand walking the club towards oblivion. Until this information is known, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him- he was the CEO of a business that went into administration, that's not exactly a ringing endorsement he's good at his job, and he's said nothing to sway opinion otherwise. 

To be clear, I am not scapegoating anyone. I have stated before that I find it really curious he's lasted 10 years at the club - when you consider all the scandalous stuff he's overseen in that time, and I would love to understand why that is. That's all.
The fact last night was pretty much exactly his 10 year anniversary of joining the club - that could have been mentioned, but tellingly wasn't. He clearly doesn't want to draw attention to anything in the past. 
That's fair enough, but the question he swerved was a direct "in hindsight is there anything that you feel you personally could have done better" - a real chance for him to show some honesty and maybe endear himself to the fans a little more.
Instead - he blatantly swerved it by parroting his pre-prepared speech from earlier in the evening that wasn't even anything to do with the question. All that does is make him look like he's avoiding scrutiny and that's a really terrible quality to have when it comes to leadership skills. Sorry that I just want the best for the club