nottingram

Yes I had a feeling it was a political point you were trying to make but didn’t want to assume.
Despite your warning this thread could turn political, you seem the only one making any political points, repeatedly. Can’t say I have much interest in engaging in that so shall leave you to it.

Russell Martin seems to have an amazing reputation for someone who has so far achieved absolutely zilch. Aside from his MK Dons team improving when he left.

Russell Martin seems to have an amazing reputation for someone who has so far achieved absolutely zilch. Aside from his MK Dons team improving when he left.

But on the subject of Trevor Sinclair, what does “cancelling” him actually mean?
Is it Talksport no longer having him on their channel? Surely that is their right if he has said something that doesn’t align with their values? If I tweeted something abhorrent and my account was linked to my workplace in some way have I been cancelled if I am hauled into a disciplinary first thing on Monday morning? No obviously not, I’ve said something ridiculous and faced the consequences
Its why I don’t quite understand complaints about “cancel culture”. If cancel culture is people facing the consequences of their actions then what is the problem?
I don’t think anyone is saying he doesn’t have the right to an opinion. Course he does, everyone does. But if that opinion is problematic in some way then his employers have the right to get rid of him as well. It works both ways.

But on the subject of Trevor Sinclair, what does “cancelling” him actually mean?
Is it Talksport no longer having him on their channel? Surely that is their right if he has said something that doesn’t align with their values? If I tweeted something abhorrent and my account was linked to my workplace in some way have I been cancelled if I am hauled into a disciplinary first thing on Monday morning? No obviously not, I’ve said something ridiculous and faced the consequences
Its why I don’t quite understand complaints about “cancel culture”. If cancel culture is people facing the consequences of their actions then what is the problem?
I don’t think anyone is saying he doesn’t have the right to an opinion. Course he does, everyone does. But if that opinion is problematic in some way then his employers have the right to get rid of him as well. It works both ways.

I wouldn’t mind it being cancelled if I truly believed it was out of respect and not out of fear of being seen as disrespectful. 

But on the subject of Trevor Sinclair, what does “cancelling” him actually mean?
Is it Talksport no longer having him on their channel? Surely that is their right if he has said something that doesn’t align with their values? If I tweeted something abhorrent and my account was linked to my workplace in some way have I been cancelled if I am hauled into a disciplinary first thing on Monday morning? No obviously not, I’ve said something ridiculous and faced the consequences
Its why I don’t quite understand complaints about “cancel culture”. If cancel culture is people facing the consequences of their actions then what is the problem?
I don’t think anyone is saying he doesn’t have the right to an opinion. Course he does, everyone does. But if that opinion is problematic in some way then his employers have the right to get rid of him as well. It works both ways.

Perhaps the younger generation of workers prefer it at home where they don’t have to listen to people, unable to keep up with the way of the world, droning on about “wokists” because they don’t read the Daily Mail.
Or maybe they quite like having an extra couple of hours a day back not commuting, agency of their own work, better work life balance, spending time with pets or loved ones, increased productivity and simply, the trust of their colleagues to get their own work done. 
Could be either. It’s the latter for me, lucky enough not to work with any of the former.

Perhaps the younger generation of workers prefer it at home where they don’t have to listen to people, unable to keep up with the way of the world, droning on about “wokists” because they don’t read the Daily Mail.
Or maybe they quite like having an extra couple of hours a day back not commuting, agency of their own work, better work life balance, spending time with pets or loved ones, increased productivity and simply, the trust of their colleagues to get their own work done. 
Could be either. It’s the latter for me, lucky enough not to work with any of the former.

Imagine a Leeds, Forest, Leicester relegation.
Getting giddy just at the thought of it

End of they day, you don’t spend £150m to finish 17th no matter how many times their fans try to tell people they needed to sign two new 11’s. He’ll be getting twitchy already.
I read an Athletic article that said Marinakis was aiming for top 6 but his expectations had to be tempered by others at the club. Wouldn’t recommend reading it though, it was a Daniel Taylor article so took me forever to wade past the misty eyed b******* about history and about how Jesse Lingard is ‘only’ on £110k a week plus bonuses and how great it is that Marinakis is letting his son (who has never worked in football before) deal with transfers.

Imagine a Leeds, Forest, Leicester relegation.
Getting giddy just at the thought of it

Imagine a Leeds, Forest, Leicester relegation.
Getting giddy just at the thought of it

Imagine a Leeds, Forest, Leicester relegation.
Getting giddy just at the thought of it

End of they day, you don’t spend £150m to finish 17th no matter how many times their fans try to tell people they needed to sign two new 11’s. He’ll be getting twitchy already.
I read an Athletic article that said Marinakis was aiming for top 6 but his expectations had to be tempered by others at the club. Wouldn’t recommend reading it though, it was a Daniel Taylor article so took me forever to wade past the misty eyed b******* about history and about how Jesse Lingard is ‘only’ on £110k a week plus bonuses and how great it is that Marinakis is letting his son (who has never worked in football before) deal with transfers.

End of they day, you don’t spend £150m to finish 17th no matter how many times their fans try to tell people they needed to sign two new 11’s. He’ll be getting twitchy already.
I read an Athletic article that said Marinakis was aiming for top 6 but his expectations had to be tempered by others at the club. Wouldn’t recommend reading it though, it was a Daniel Taylor article so took me forever to wade past the misty eyed b******* about history and about how Jesse Lingard is ‘only’ on £110k a week plus bonuses and how great it is that Marinakis is letting his son (who has never worked in football before) deal with transfers.

Scored today.

Think you’ll find Sibley would have been if he had started 

Did make me smile when he gave a bit to the Family Stand at 2-1, but in the end he had the last laugh.
Thought he played well and would be a decent asset but we got good money, probably more than Ebiowei and Ebosele combined. Not sure why the fans are bothered enough by a couple of daft comments to give him stick. The lad has scored 9 goals in about 70 games in his career and yet 2 in 3 against us. Maybe trying to wind him up doesn’t work.

Think you’ll find Sibley would have been if he had started 

End of they day, you don’t spend £150m to finish 17th no matter how many times their fans try to tell people they needed to sign two new 11’s. He’ll be getting twitchy already.
I read an Athletic article that said Marinakis was aiming for top 6 but his expectations had to be tempered by others at the club. Wouldn’t recommend reading it though, it was a Daniel Taylor article so took me forever to wade past the misty eyed b******* about history and about how Jesse Lingard is ‘only’ on £110k a week plus bonuses and how great it is that Marinakis is letting his son (who has never worked in football before) deal with transfers.

Think you’ll find Sibley would have been if he had started 

End of they day, you don’t spend £150m to finish 17th no matter how many times their fans try to tell people they needed to sign two new 11’s. He’ll be getting twitchy already.
I read an Athletic article that said Marinakis was aiming for top 6 but his expectations had to be tempered by others at the club. Wouldn’t recommend reading it though, it was a Daniel Taylor article so took me forever to wade past the misty eyed b******* about history and about how Jesse Lingard is ‘only’ on £110k a week plus bonuses and how great it is that Marinakis is letting his son (who has never worked in football before) deal with transfers.

In the confines of what we were able to do, pretty much perfect.
Given we can only offer two year deals there’s little point shopping in markets for slightly younger players as you end up in a sticky spot in a years time. So I guess the objective had to be to add as much first team ready quality as possible which we did. Hard to imagine we could have had a chance at some of the players brought in.
Could never have imagined keeping Bird, Knight and Sibley was possible either.

I do hope you aren’t implying the prominent Forest fans in the national media lack objectivity?
Ahem, in completely unrelated news.
https://theathletic.com/3558295/2022/09/02/nottingham-forest-transfer-window/?source=user_shared_article