jono

Prefacing this by saying I have no insider info and have heard nothing
But if I was in a situation where I felt the EFL were being unreasonable and trying to force us to accept sanctions with seemingly no reason I would fight it - However if I was also trying to repair relationships with the EFL and show good faith to them I would be doing it in private - I wouldn't be shouting about it, I wouldn't be telling the fans how unreasonable the EFL are being and I wouldn't even make a single comment which could be construed by the EFL as being negative/aggravating 
It's frustrating for us not hearing anything - But I don't blame Morris for not saying anything - I think if he were to come out and let everyone know what the hold up is I suspect it would out the EFLs back up and make them dig their heels in further

It had indeed
I would be very surprised if the club hadn't entered into such an arrangement. Pretty well all businesses ( let alone football clubs)  will have done so during the lockdown and have been encouraged to do so. I suspect most clubs in the EFL have taken advantage of this option.
Your question about the EFLs approach to these other clubs, if it is such an issue to them, is correct. However, the  reason we have heard nothing from the EFL about them  is probably pretty simple :
It would not be reasonable for the EFL to include such a legitimate arrangement as being worthy of being on its ‘charge sheet’  and so this is, in my view, a red herring - entering into a payment plan is not an issue to them at all What would cause an issue, however,  would be  if we were failing to stick to a previously agreed payment plan, especially if that were to happen repeatedly Of course, all of this is conjecture. One poster made a tongue in cheek remark in the last 24 hours that the timing of the new season ticket sales may not have been entirely coincidental in the latest removal of the unpaid transfer fees from the ‘charge sheet’. Maybe it was the plan all along by Mel and Stephen that they could use the same source of cash to deal with the HMRC situation ?

Exactly this. We've all seen over the years that HMRC isn't backwards about chasing clubs for money and are always issuing winding-up orders against clubs. My understanding has always been we don't owe money to them, but the EFL are including it as part of their non-submittal of accounts.
Which maybe connects with the issue that EFL supposedly wanted us to resubmit old accounts to the HMRC which we can't do because the accounts were fine, accepted and are now historic, so we've given the EFL the information on "this is what they would have said if we were doing the accounts differently" but now we seem in limbo with that. Perhaps it's all waiting for the recent accounts to go to HMRC, but maybe the club are saying we can't do that until EFL approves the material we've resubmitted to them, and they're saying, we won't approve this unless you take a 9 point deduction and we're saying no. It never ends...

But had it occurred to you that as revenues crashed we reached an agreement with HMRC, to delay and stage payments. 
The fact the the HMRC maybe happy with that and we are keeping to whatever schedule we agreed with them, hasn’t really been mentioned. The EFL have this on the charge sheet because it breaks their rules … but I want to ask, have they investigated other clubs current relationships with the HMRC or indeed any agreement we have with HMRC. 
Without any doubt at all we are either making back payments to HMRC according to an agreed schedule OR the HMRC are going to take action against us. The EFL sticking to the letter of their rules in our respect is not the same as being in do do with HMRC

But had it occurred to you that as revenues crashed we reached an agreement with HMRC, to delay and stage payments. 
The fact the the HMRC maybe happy with that and we are keeping to whatever schedule we agreed with them, hasn’t really been mentioned. The EFL have this on the charge sheet because it breaks their rules … but I want to ask, have they investigated other clubs current relationships with the HMRC or indeed any agreement we have with HMRC. 
Without any doubt at all we are either making back payments to HMRC according to an agreed schedule OR the HMRC are going to take action against us. The EFL sticking to the letter of their rules in our respect is not the same as being in do do with HMRC

Does anybody know who is waiting for what and more importantly why?

You’re not being stubborn. It’s perfectly correct that anyone should take any punishment due, but only if rules are seen to have been applied equally amongst all participants. If that isn’t the case then standing up for yourself is the only course of action. 

I think there is a story behind Mel's actions which very few are aware of. I simply can't believe that he would chose to run the club in such a terrible way if he had any other choice. Eventually, I think we'll find out and quite a few will feel they judged him harshly. 
I don't think it has to do with liquidity though. Logically, his reasons for selling are probably one or more of; getting desperately short of cash, not feeling (mentally, physically or emotionally) capable of it or feeling that it's best for the club to have a more engaged owner.
Turning the club into a basket case just prolongs the losses and the aggravation because it becomes unsellable. If Mel just had to sell a hotel to be able to put another £10m in to stabilise the club, I'm sure he would because he could walk away far more quickly and with more cash. I think that Mel is far too desperate to use liquidity as an excuse.

Welcome to my world, I'm unable to post on here as to what i'd like to do to those snivelling, Ballsack tea bagging piles of excrament without being given a lifetimes ban from here

If you let a bully win he'll just come back and do it again
If you stand up to them you may well get the snot beaten out of you but you'll have showcased to others that their behaviour isn't acceptable 
We're currently getting seven shades of snot beaten out of us but I don't see that as a reason to back down and let the bully have their way

You’re not being stubborn. It’s perfectly correct that anyone should take any punishment due, but only if rules are seen to have been applied equally amongst all participants. If that isn’t the case then standing up for yourself is the only course of action. 

You’re not being stubborn. It’s perfectly correct that anyone should take any punishment due, but only if rules are seen to have been applied equally amongst all participants. If that isn’t the case then standing up for yourself is the only course of action. 

I understand that Gaspode, but this smacks of closing the gate before the horse is even in the field. The EFL are demanding that Mel shows proof of funding. Fair enough I suppose, but if he does so, the HMRC situation becomes utterly moot.
I'm afraid they are simply tying the club in knots for reasons I've already outlined too many times to warrant doing so again. I can accept the charges levied if we are given a fair crack at addressing them. What sticks in my craw is the total lack of consistency either in terms of the current situation, or historically. Again, the obvious historical examples have been cited ad nauseum.
I'd resist any EFL sanctions on that very basis, though I appreciate that stance leaves me in a diminishing minority. When I read posts saying 'let's just take the 9 point hit and move on', I can't help but ask on what basis, but then perhaps I'm just being stubborn ?‍♂️

Dunno, but apparently the shirt is sponsored by Simon and Garfunkel and has “Sound of Silence” on it.

Or re-sign someone of sentimental value and make money like ManUre are doing with CR7 shirts?
Now, who could we sign.....?

This the end. A big, throbbing ? end. 

Whatever the truth of the matter is … and none of us know … I remain certain that the EFL has not applied it’s detective rigour to any other club with anything like the same degree of tenacity, detail and b minded doggedness. Whether that counts for anything in a legal setting I have no idea. 

Whatever the truth of the matter is … and none of us know … I remain certain that the EFL has not applied it’s detective rigour to any other club with anything like the same degree of tenacity, detail and b minded doggedness. Whether that counts for anything in a legal setting I have no idea. 

Whatever the truth of the matter is … and none of us know … I remain certain that the EFL has not applied it’s detective rigour to any other club with anything like the same degree of tenacity, detail and b minded doggedness. Whether that counts for anything in a legal setting I have no idea. 

It ends when the EFL say that they don’t believe Derby should have a point deduction because if they do say they are implementing a point deduction Derby county will take legal action, that can only be the logical reason this hasn’t happened yet 
the EFL apparently agreed that they were aware of Derby change in amortisation policy and agreed to it happening and allowed it to happen for three years - most of that may well have been Shaun Harvey who has left but he was the EFL at that time.
It would be interesting to see if the EFL could defend itself in a legal setting. 

You’ve got a point there mate. As we stand atm you hear people saying “Mel need to accept a loss and sell at any price” .. but to be honest it has to be like trying to flog used asbestos sheets with “buyer collects” …. Right now I doubt there are any potential buyers - at least any with integrity. 
If on the other hand wages have become sensible, agreement is reached regarding our alleged misbehaviour, crowds start to be 20K plus then maybe, just maybe it’s a possibility. 

Derby go into administration and out of business.
Meanwhile, we all go and follow Alfreton Town, who with the additional support and income over the next few years speed up through the divisions to the Championship.
Spying an opportunity, a wealthy local lifelong supporter of Alfreton takes them over, and gambles lots of money that he’d made early on investing in an internet game on getting them into the Premier League.
The final throw of the dice after being close to getting promoted was to appoint the newly retired England legend Jude Bellingham as manager who took the Town to the Championship playoffs only to lose to Arsenal at Wembley
In a dire financial position Mel Austin the owner, seeks a buyer…
 

MM successfully applies for Derby County to join the MLS as UK franchise and then sells club to Yeehar Stetson who renames the club Derby Oilers with logo a black puddle.

You’ve got a point there mate. As we stand atm you hear people saying “Mel need to accept a loss and sell at any price” .. but to be honest it has to be like trying to flog used asbestos sheets with “buyer collects” …. Right now I doubt there are any potential buyers - at least any with integrity. 
If on the other hand wages have become sensible, agreement is reached regarding our alleged misbehaviour, crowds start to be 20K plus then maybe, just maybe it’s a possibility. 

You’ve got a point there mate. As we stand atm you hear people saying “Mel need to accept a loss and sell at any price” .. but to be honest it has to be like trying to flog used asbestos sheets with “buyer collects” …. Right now I doubt there are any potential buyers - at least any with integrity. 
If on the other hand wages have become sensible, agreement is reached regarding our alleged misbehaviour, crowds start to be 20K plus then maybe, just maybe it’s a possibility.