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You know he could have done the sensible option of investing a little more than GSE and not so much that we'd be in danger of administration.... I mean I'm not a billionaire or a businessman so that might be an absolutely wild suggestion. 

Why ! 

I do love some people's attempts to give Mel leeway by saying the fans were all on board.  The fans were not told this was completely unsustainable, that administration was laying in waiting and we had ripped through ffp. In fact, Mel kept on emphasising pretty much the opposite. Even a cursory glance at the reaction to administration from those who attended the now infamous meeting would tell us all we need to know about what was told to us about the situation. It's about as pathetic an excuse as it gets and I personally don't have empathy for Mel Morris. He ran the club completely irresponsibly, has ran away now it's all gone south and left the club to pick up the mess. 

I wouldn’t argue with you my friend; I’d never win.
For what worth this is my additional take.  It is only since Quantumna took charge that the Club’s accounts have been brought up to date - probably only in draft format, and with amortisation reworked on a straight line method consistent with the other 71 clubs in the league. I think Morris and Pearce were still fiddle arsing around in September getting their administration ducks in line and really were not interested anymore trying to dig themselves out of the huge hole they had created. Morris indicated in his interview something like ‘mumble, £4m, mumble mumble’ as our overspend if we accepted straight line amortisation, but that figure took no account of future seasons. I can’t believe we didn’t lose a significant figure after the Frank Lampard season, and probably the season after before COVID came along to take its additional toll.
I suspect the EFL has now laid the charges on the table based on those draft figures and Quantumna have considered the best option. I highly doubt another 6 months minimum disciplinary and appeal process is going to be attractive to any potential buyer, or and secured or preferred creditor. If Kirchner, or any other buyer, wants Derby come what may, then they want a quick purchase so they can plan for the next season and a half.
I am no EFL apologist, but the pelters they are getting when this all really falls at Morris’s door still continues to amaze me. He chose to put the club into Administration not to save us point deductions, but to trigger a sale. He wanted to get out, and retain the multi-millions he still has in investments, property, etc.

I wouldn’t argue with you my friend; I’d never win.
For what worth this is my additional take.  It is only since Quantumna took charge that the Club’s accounts have been brought up to date - probably only in draft format, and with amortisation reworked on a straight line method consistent with the other 71 clubs in the league. I think Morris and Pearce were still fiddle arsing around in September getting their administration ducks in line and really were not interested anymore trying to dig themselves out of the huge hole they had created. Morris indicated in his interview something like ‘mumble, £4m, mumble mumble’ as our overspend if we accepted straight line amortisation, but that figure took no account of future seasons. I can’t believe we didn’t lose a significant figure after the Frank Lampard season, and probably the season after before COVID came along to take its additional toll.
I suspect the EFL has now laid the charges on the table based on those draft figures and Quantumna have considered the best option. I highly doubt another 6 months minimum disciplinary and appeal process is going to be attractive to any potential buyer, or and secured or preferred creditor. If Kirchner, or any other buyer, wants Derby come what may, then they want a quick purchase so they can plan for the next season and a half.
I am no EFL apologist, but the pelters they are getting when this all really falls at Morris’s door still continues to amaze me. He chose to put the club into Administration not to save us point deductions, but to trigger a sale. He wanted to get out, and retain the multi-millions he still has in investments, property, etc.

Still embargoed for these reasons:

The punishment for not providing them is embargo.

Having empathy for Mel is not the same as being 'pro-Morris'. Even Mel's most ardent supporters, a faction whose numbers diminish by the day, would admit he has ducked up royally. I retain some sympathy for the man, but that does not infer I'm blind to his failings. This isn't a binary assessment and in the view of many, the EFL have more than amply played their part. 
Once this 'process' is completed, I've little doubt that the truth will out and even less doubt that it will paint either Mel or the EFL in anything close to a favourable light. I'm not blind to Mel's part in this debacle, nor do I believe for one moment that those criticising the EFL are either.

I think the EFL appear to have treated us shabbily regarding the pace this has all moved, and I have not thought them fit for purpose for somewhile, and particularly since Harvey negotiated such a pisspoor TV deal. What we really don’t know here is how much Morris and Pearce have contributed to the delays. I suspect a lot, and certainly more than many posters on here think (many of whom bizarrely remain pro-Morris). I think the Government does need to get an independent regulator established to give the EFL, and these kind of bunfights which will be come a lot more common in years to come, proper and effective oversight, and for the fans greater transparency.

I wouldn’t argue with you my friend; I’d never win.
For what worth this is my additional take.  It is only since Quantumna took charge that the Club’s accounts have been brought up to date - probably only in draft format, and with amortisation reworked on a straight line method consistent with the other 71 clubs in the league. I think Morris and Pearce were still fiddle arsing around in September getting their administration ducks in line and really were not interested anymore trying to dig themselves out of the huge hole they had created. Morris indicated in his interview something like ‘mumble, £4m, mumble mumble’ as our overspend if we accepted straight line amortisation, but that figure took no account of future seasons. I can’t believe we didn’t lose a significant figure after the Frank Lampard season, and probably the season after before COVID came along to take its additional toll.
I suspect the EFL has now laid the charges on the table based on those draft figures and Quantumna have considered the best option. I highly doubt another 6 months minimum disciplinary and appeal process is going to be attractive to any potential buyer, or and secured or preferred creditor. If Kirchner, or any other buyer, wants Derby come what may, then they want a quick purchase so they can plan for the next season and a half.
I am no EFL apologist, but the pelters they are getting when this all really falls at Morris’s door still continues to amaze me. He chose to put the club into Administration not to save us point deductions, but to trigger a sale. He wanted to get out, and retain the multi-millions he still has in investments, property, etc.

We're all guilty of thinking to hard, Until some one at DCFC or the EFL anounce what we read last night to be true, Or deny Percys writings then headaches will continue.
If Percys Telegraph story is true, And with social media going off grid then surely DCFC should say something to admit or deny his story, In Percys artical it said...neither the EFL or Administraters will be making a comment as talks are still taking place concerning future plans...ie embargo, Funding, Transfers.
The fans continue to suffer.

You are right, this is at Mels and Pearces door not the EFL. We need to wait until the FFP information is out there as nobody knows the figures. The only thing I would like to see from the EFL is consistency of punishment and I have a feeling Reading and others will get away more favourably. The example of this was SWFC and the overdue wages. 
 
people want the club to be made an example of and all I ask is that any punishment is appropriate and consistent 

It is in the best interests of the football club for the EFL to now be negotiating with the administrators. We do not have cash reserves. We owe much more than we own. The administration is for the benefit of the creditors not the club. If the administrators do not get a buyer in soonest the club will fold.

It is in the best interests of the football club for the EFL to now be negotiating with the administrators. We do not have cash reserves. We owe much more than we own. The administration is for the benefit of the creditors not the club. If the administrators do not get a buyer in soonest the club will fold.

It is in the best interests of the football club for the EFL to now be negotiating with the administrators. We do not have cash reserves. We owe much more than we own. The administration is for the benefit of the creditors not the club. If the administrators do not get a buyer in soonest the club will fold.

I'm probably in the minority, but I'll take the minus 21 now if it means a clean slate, if it means a sale can go through and if it means we can finally stop this constant merry-go-round of claim, counter-claim, charge, appeal, claim etc. The uncertainty is killing the club and having this hanging over us for the best part of two years does nobody any favours. 
We have been poorly treated by the EFL. Mel has made huge mistakes. But the circus has to move on at some point and having negotiations and appeals hanging over us for the next few months, maybe even into next season, with no sale because of it, is worse than taking the hit now.
The fact is we've tried to take the EFL on at every turn and failed at every turn, costing huge amounts of money and time. It doesn't make it fair, or right necessarily, but it does tell you something - know when you're beaten and sometimes it's better to cut your losses and start again. 
 

I don’t think it’s true that we would have breached Ffp anyway. Costs were coming down and we had the stadium sale. 
 
but COVID also affects our ability to stay within ffp as well taking us into admin.

Easier to sell the club in administration. Apparently. 

Thing is, if we'd got just 9 points for FFP/accounting and not gone int administration, we'd have had a fighting chance.
I'm quite annoyed with the previous ownership.

You're criticising them for being too optimistic - no doubt you'd be saying the same if they were too pessimistic. They are professionals involved in an unpleasant task of unravelling the absolute mess our Club has been put in - maybe they should have said nothing until all matters were resolved?

No, no, no. You can't do that. Even if you just do a little boo at him, he will walk away from the club......

Notwithstanding that nobody knows anything about was has happened, why it’s happened or anything else associated with what is really happening (ignoring speculation), we’re now turning on the administrators?

Course it’s a pisstake. Everyone knows the Pope is a paediatrician not a bender.