HorsforthRam

A view point.
It is clear that this is a complicated issue and open to interpretation of complex accountancy practices and confusing rules. An independent tribunal, with some expertise in the field, have studied this and found in the Club's favour. Another group of three independent "experts" look likely to reach the opposite conclusion. This in itself surely shows there is a level of doubt and definitely differing possible interpretations, both of the rules (which clearly lack clarity) and also what is acceptable accountancy practice within those rules.
Surely the doubt involved must be taken into account with the level of punishment? These are not "matters of Fact" they are "matters of opinion". If it was being heard as a criminal case it would not stand a chance of passing the "beyond all reasonable doubt" test. It isn't of course a criminal court case.
All I think we can reasonably hope for is that the punishment "fits the crime" and takes account of the doubt and interpretation issues, rather than the Club and it's supporters being made an example of to satisfy a despotic governing body.
 

He was definitely the lad at school that would remind the teacher that there was homework due in at the very end of a lesson.

A reminder of what the EFL are appealing...
The second charge (amortisation) was split up into 5 particulars.

1. The EFL withdraw the first particular,  so nothing to look into.
2. This is not in contradiction to the financial standard FRS102
3. As per the 2nd particular
4. Unreliability in estimating a player's value does not mean the policy contradicts FRS102. 
5. Inadequate disclosure is punishable. As it doesn't impact passing/failing P&S, it is impossible to receive a points penalty against this particular.

So, we've managed to avoid relegation. Much has said about the players 'bottling' it, but let's give some credit where it's due to some of them. Davies, yesterday and Edmundsen a couple of games ago, both not contracted to the club now, put themselves forward after being out injured and with no training, therefore, risking long term injury. Also, CKR has being playing whilst injured and then Waggy with that bone crunching collision with post and playing on, in his last contracted game for the club.
Most of that team yesterday have no contract for next season, but twice they came back and showed a great passion for the club and for that I thank them.

Why even mention goal difference, Rotherhams is already better and will only get better if we draw & they win

Rotherham are in white

Once again a Black player is subjected to racial abuse for simply doing his job.
Why should he be abused for scoring against Derby? It's what he is paid for
Hopefully his abuser will be found, charged, and if he/she is a Derby supporter banned from our games for life.
If he subscribes to this forum banned from it also.
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Yeah of course, a Rotherham loss is what we want as the margins are going to be so fine.
I just hope we don’t end up shooting ourselves in the foot if we know at 12:30 on Saturday that a single point will guarantee survival. If we play for a point, I don’t think I’ll be able to watch the last 10 minutes if the scores are still level. I genuinely think that would be more gut-wrenching than any play-off final.

Like vs Birmingham? We might get a point, I'm hoping that will be enough. So Rotherham to lose on Tuesday.

What do we protest against ?
I don't disagree Mel has made a right horlicks of things in his time at Derby but what do we protest about ? his lack of spending ? no because if anything that's one of the issues,  it's not mels fault the EFL p&s rules aren't fit for purpose and hes just not allowed to spend what maybe I  the past other owners have to achieve success. 
I guess we could protest his ownership and demand he moves on,but isn't he trying to do that? it's not his fault no one can seemingly afford to cough up the going rate, the last thing we need is him selling to someone for 50p like lionel did because no one else would buy us.
So I share your frustration, Mel has made a lot of mistakes and has to accept responsibility for where we are, I'm just not sure what we would protest against because as far as I can see he is making every effort to move on but no one seems able or willing to take over.

Okay, posts that are critical of Mel Morris' tenure as owner are not taken down.
Posts which contain personal insults of Mel Morris are.
The same applies to other previous or future owners, players, other posters.
How difficult is it to grasp the difference? Quite difficult for some people judging by the number of posts we have taken down in the last twenty four hours.
If in any doubt please re-read the terms and conditions that you agreed to when you joined the message board. If you don't agree with them, you are welcome to find somewhere else to post your personal insults. I hear Twitter aren't too fussy! 

Hopefully the social media blackout will minimise the chances of a Derby Twatterer posting something Twatterish

OMG, how many times ????

Looks like some posters are willing to give Wednesday a point for drawing against us but don’t want to give ourselves any ?

Looks like some posters are willing to give Wednesday a point for drawing against us but don’t want to give ourselves any ?

We've spent so long losing that everyone seems to have forgotten that we do actually receive a point or 3 for avoiding defeat.

I already got found out by Carnero, don’t double shame me man. ?

Looks like some posters are willing to give Wednesday a point for drawing against us but don’t want to give ourselves any ?

Well...if we lose on Saturday, they beat Forest, draw with us the following week they go above on goal difference. I think.

Ffs do we need a maths thread?

Why is that incorrect?
They're on 39 points. We're on 43. If they fail to beat us, we finish on either 44 or 46 points (providing we lose against Swansea).
They beat Forest and they're on 42. Lose against us, they're on 42. Draw with us and they're on 43. That's less than both 44 and 46.

Yes that’s the worrying thing as we would go down on goal difference..
We happier after that result tonight though 

We’ll get a point as well though mate.

Lol. He came back to get fit and was let go back on loan by Rooney. He's played loads for the Wendies and scored double figures for them. Edit: bits of this ain't true.