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23 hours ago, Blondest Goat said:

I get what you mean.   It is actually surprising that there hasnt been more interest from Championship clubs for Cashin, Knight etc.   Good for us though.

They have'nt got the money is one answer, the other is, they can't overspend and gamble like we did in the past, just in case they end up like what Derby have been through.

It's a fine line that Mel took, Leicester escaped punishment by getting promoted to the protected promised land of the Premiership. QPR did the same (at Derby's expense) and then Villa who was also close to being in the crap got promotion through the play-offs. Mel gambled and it did'nt pay off. I think the EFL wanted to stamp out previous and future gambling clubs by hitting a well known big club hard and that just happened to be us.

The only bug I have with the EFL, was when Muddlesboro and a gobby yank from Wycombe were trying to claim loss of monies for one, not making the play-offs and the other getting relegated because we were not deducted points in 2 different seasons for allegedly wrong doing.  It was down to the EFL to deduct us points in 2 separate seasons for any wrong doing, but they backed them on the arguement.

1 hour ago, Jourdan said:

It’s not hypocritical, though.

Cocu, Rooney and Rosenior weren’t taking us anywhere. I can appreciate that they had to contend with difficult circumstances and they all had some good spells or good moments, but let’s be honest, those were few and far between.

They were all inexperienced at managing clubs in the particular division we were in and never looked likely to move us forward in the way we needed.

Vitesse, Hull, DC United - would you say any of those managers advanced their careers on the strength of their work here, or more likely their previous connection to the clubs?

Warne arrived here with actual tangible success in this very division, so of course it seems strange that he wasn’t given more support from the start.

I can understand the concerns of some bloggers on here. You class Cocu, Rooney and Rosenior has inexperienced managers in the particular division we were in. I have to agree with that comment, but Rooney, Rosenior were restricted in transfers etc. Cocu seemed successful under PSV in his youth team coaching role, but never did that much in running senior teams. To be fair with Rosenior, yes he was inexperienced, but you can't fault the recruitment in a short period of time that he brought to the club.

We will never know whether he would have succeded at Derby and whether the team would have got better and Liam might have adjusted the teams playing style. Warne was renown for playering 3 centrebacks and 2 wing backs whilst at Rotherham during his 3 year spell in which he achieved 3 promotions and 2 relegations. At Derby he has adapted and changed the style, formation and tactics and with it the team have vastly improved. Perhaps his first 3 years has a manager could be classed inexperienced along side his coaching team. To state Vitesse (top league in holland, Hull ( in the Championship) and DC United (totally different league) can't be classed as advancing their career, comes across a bit naive, it's obvious the standards are better than League one football..

22 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

I hope Rick Parry doesn't see this, he'll have a meltdown

22 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

I’m absolutely buzzing, these scenes with the fans at the end! Winning a game we looked destined to lose, proper thrilling end to the game, never gave up and end up making it 6 wins on the bounce! ? 

Talking of bounce, Curtis Davies started a bounce off at the end.

12 minutes ago, SillyBilly said:

Football is made for nights like this. Seemed like it was destined to be a bad day at the office. I am so pleased Port Vale were prevented from the double over us, that'd been hard to take to give 6 points to such a limited one dimensional team. Their gameplan was clearly to wind our players up, be in the refs ear all game trying to get players booked, waste time and generally s**thouse us. And it very, very nearly paid off for them so probably the right tactics for them.

Yes I noticed that, especially their centre half Smith trying to pick a fight with Barks

5 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

Sadly no chance. Everton will want a name manager, not someone who might actually do a good job. I did just put a bet on Plymouth for automatics. Can't believe Ipswich are miles ahead of them in the odds!

Well the Plymouth fans are concerned

With Frank Lampard getting the sack and Steven Schumacher, their manager being a Liverpool born lad. Also an ex player who started his playing career at Everton, could be be in the running for the job. Everton, no longer a big spending club might not be able to attract a big name, but someone like Schumacher could fit the bill. This might rock Plymouth's season and dare I say enhance the Rams chances.

5 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said:

At last, I have some ITK information.

A mate of mine (none Derby fan) who is a Structural Design Engineer was at a meeting recently to discuss plans to turn PP green!

They are looking at solar panelling the roof and fitting wind turbine generators to future proof the stadium from energy costs.

Thats it! Thats all I know, its early days but the club is planning to do this and is looking for companies to provide detailed plans and costings to carry out the work.

David Clowes Black, White and Green army....

Seriously, the fact that Mr Clowes is looking at this is yet another pointer to his love for the club and wanting us to prosper in the future imo.

Plymouth Argyle's Home Park ground have solar panels on the roof of their south facing stand. They initially only had a few on the stand roof then added more during last summer. I'm surprised with energy costs that more clubs have'nt done the same.

I think, not 100% sure it was mentioned that the agreed business plan could be reviewed and possibly adjusted after the 1st year. I think part of it was based on Derby having approx 17,000 season ticket holders. I don't know how many season ticket holders we currently have and that's also counting the top up of some fans doing the half a season purchase.

Also we have been shown on TV a few times, that's addition revenue. Prize monies in the FA cup also adds to the pot. So with our home fixtures in the league currently averaging 27,000 that is more income for the club. Oh, and before anyone asks, I'm not volunteering to sleep with Rick Parry.

On 18/01/2023 at 08:49, ramsbottom said:

Our unbeaten run has been impressive, it's just that Ipswich, Weds, and Plymouth's have been equally so.  Until one of those 3 have a wobble and we close to within a few points I'm not overly concerned about the gap.  I'm concentrating on the gap we have to 7th.  Keep that gap and I fancy us against anyone over 2 legs in the playoffs.  Yes it would be nice to grab an automatic spot, but too many draws have left us with a mountain to climb.

Too many draws? We have drawn 8 games, the top 2 have drawn 7, Ipswich currently above us have drawn 9. It's not losing that gets you points.

On 20/01/2023 at 10:43, Alty_Ram said:

Interesting to see that Wigan only got a suspended points deduction this week (i.e. no deduction) for multiple breaches as regards paying players. To quote the EFL site:

"Wigan Athletic has received a three-point deduction to be suspended until 31 December 2023 after admitting to multiple breaches of EFL Regulations.

The sanction imposed is for failing to adhere to the terms of the Standard Contracts that were in force between the Club and its Players for the late payment of player wages on three separate occasions."

After the way they were dealing with Derby and then the intervention by MP's, I think Rick Parry and his gang have looked at being more lenient with other clubs. I hope they would'nt be with Middlesboro if they were in financial melt down.

19 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said:

The EFL are terrified, Derby's on fire...

 

We are going up with that song ringing in Rick Parry's ears.

 

I did'nt know Rick Parry was into fishing.

17 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Agree with that but we are in irresistible form right now and were I a neutral, would I lay the odds on us beating those two. Not a chance in hell. Whilst I wax lyrical more than I should, I don't think we've been at our best the last two games and yet we've still been dominant irrespective of the tight scorelines. The biggest threat to our continued success for me is the risk of injuries to key personnel. I don't see a single side in the division we can't beat, though I may be viewing this through my Ram-goggles! 

Its the players that we have in our squad that are very good for this league and in some cases, a few could fit into a championship team and not look out of place. As the season unfolded our squad of players have got used to the league, improved as a team and yes playing at our best we would beat any team in this league. May our unbeaten run continue and the likes of the top 3 keep looking over their shoulders. Yes, I also have my Ram-goggles on with my pint of homebrew beer in front of me. COYR

Well the bookies a few weeks ago had the Rams at 40 to 1 to be winners of League one. Last week after beating Cheltenham we was 25 to 1. Now after beating Bolton we are down to 20 to 1. Sheff Weds are favourites, followed by Ipswich then Plymouth, they must be thinking that Plymouth are going to drop off. We are currently the favourites to win the play-offs at 10 to 3 and only 6 to 1 to make a top 2 spot.

56 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Quick bump on this one. 

Amended schedule as below and maximum points taken from first 2 of 6. In the immortal words of Ted Lasso, BELIEVE! 

Cheltenham - WON

Bolton - WON

Port Vale (A)

Morecambe (H)

Wycombe (A)

Lincoln (H)

Looking at the 2 away games, they could be tricky, but Port Vale have lost 3 of their last 5 league games and Wycombe have lost 2 of their last 5.

It's interesting to see the next 4 fixtures the top 6 have, starting with Tuesday night Cheltenham V Sheff Weds, Exeter V Barnsley, Ipswich V Morecambe, Bolton V FGR and Derby away to Port Vale. That will see us with only a game in hand over Plymouth, Sheff Weds Ipswich and Bolton with Barnsley still having a game in hand over us and 2 games in hand over the others. Cup weekend sees only Charlton V Bolton, a game the Trotters need to win because by then they will have played the most games on the other top 6 teams. Wednesday the 1st Feb is Oxford V Barnsley, thats putting Barnsley down to only one game in hand over the other rivals but by then played the same as the Rams.

Saturday 4th Feb is Bolton V Cheltenham, Cambridge V Ipswich, Derby V Morecambe, Portsmouth V Barnsley and Sheff Weds V Plymouth. Saturday 11th Feb is Barnsley V Cambridge, Ipswich V Sheff Weds, Peterboro V Bolton, Plymouth V Portsmouth and Wycombe V Derby. Then Tuesday 14th its Bolton V MK Dons, Bristol Rovers V Ipswich, Oxford V Plymouth, Port Vale V Barnsley, Sheff Weds V Morecambe and the Rams at home to Lincoln. 

After playing Lincoln at home we will have one game in hand over Argyle and I think the current 14 point gap will have shrunk. Cheltenham have now lost 4 matches on the bounce (are they due a draw/win on Tuesday night?) Dare I state we could be above Ipswich after these 4 matches (Their 4 games are Morecambe(H), Cambridge(A), Sheff Weds(H),Bristol R(A)). Come away from Port Vale with 3 points and I believe we will close up on at least 2 of the 3 teams above us.

Wendies won 1-0

1 minute ago, Yani P said:

Ipswich losing

And Plymouth now 4-2

1 minute ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Collins and Springett on for McGoldrick and Barkhuizen 

Good time to freshen up the attacking options, lets see it reap some rewards with a goal or two.

Plymouth 3 Cheltenham 2 now

We need Plymouth to draw or lose, Sheff Weds not to win and Ipswich to lose. Most importantly we need to score more and keep a clean sheet COYR

On 16/01/2023 at 09:38, Donnyram said:

Not sure that’s the case.  We also lost 2-0 away at Lincoln under Liam and our away league record pre Warne was played 4, 2 draws and 2 defeats with zero goals scored.  
 

Under Warne our league away record is played 9, won 4, drawn 4 and 1 defeat - 13 goals scored

Oops missed that result and yes we were poor in that Lincoln Match and that could have been when David Clowes and Co made the decision to approach Paul Warne, even though Liam's last game yielded a win against Wycombe.

6 hours ago, TomTom92 said:

@Jourdanis bang on the money in this thread. 
 
The moaning and groaning of the Warne appointment was embarrassing. Yes everyone’s entitled to an opinion but

A. we wasn’t exactly ripping the league up under LR.    
B. Our away form continued to be depressing pre Warne.  
C. It wasn’t like we appointed Iain Dowie, this is a man who’s got promoted 3 times from this league.   
D. After being on the edge of extinction I think DC was allowed to bring his own man in. After all it’s his money. 
 
Anyway now we’re on the up it’s better for everyone and long may it continue. 

I was one that moaned and groaned when Warne was appointed and that was based on his hoofball football at Rotherham. I know fans will bang on about his 3 promotions, but don't forget he also had 2 relegations. What has surprised me with our coaching team, is we are actually mixing it up and playing good football. Whether that is down to the good players we have in the squad and many could easily grace a place in a Championship team.

A. we wasn't exactly ripping the league up under L.R.  =In his defence, I would say look at the table after those 9 league games. We were 7th, out of the top 6 on goal diff. We were 7 points behind Ipswich (we are still 7 points behind Ipswich).

B. Our away form continued to be depressing pre Warne.  =We only lost one away game under L.R. and that was at 1-0 at Charlton in which we could have won if our team had their shooting boots on in game we totally dominated.

C. It wasn't like we appointed Ian Dowie, this is a man who's got promoted 3 times from this league.   =Like I stated earlier, he's also got 2 relegations on his CV. We have given him a long contract, lets hope he can prove himself, get us promotion and not come back down. In his favour and no disrespect to Rotherham, Warne should be able to attract better players to a club like Derby to strengthen in the future seasons.

D. After being on the edge of extinction I think D.C. was allowed to bring his own man in. After all it's his money.    =Well to a certain extent I agree on this statement, but it might have been a board decision and not David going alone on this.

1 hour ago, Zag zig said:

It’s funny, remember some Clough fans saying Mac built his success on the team Clough assembled. Is it any different? Maybe not, but it totally undermines the impact that Warne has had on getting more from the players, by adopting different tactics and systems. 

I’m another Warne convert, you have to give credit where it’s due.

Yes credit goes to the current manager and his coaching staff and we will never know if under Rosenior if he would have adapted with the style of play and also improved the team. Lets look at one major factor, Liam Rosenior assembled a squad in a very short period of time and over time they have got better. Any new team, especially the amount of incoming players we had would have taken some time to gel and the coach would have been looking for his best style/formula/tactics and a set period of time.