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The question of whether this has been a "good" season is really interesting to me.
Statistically speaking it certainly has been. How can anyone argue that a promotion season (fingers crossed) isn't a good season?
And yet I would say that I enjoyed the McClaren season, the Lampard, maybe even the Rowett season, more than this one.
Why? Maybe my own personal enjoyment from football comes more from what I've seen happen over the 90 mins as opposed to the result.
I think what this season has done has made every Derby fan, whether they realise it or not, question whether they prefer the result or the football being played. 

First promotion for 17 years. First automatic promotion for nearly 30 years. Let’s counter your argument and say you think that finishing 3rd, playing good football but failing where it really matters is an achievement?
The arrogant attitude that anything less than running away with the title with triple figure points is a failure is why big clubs like Sunderland, Ipswich, Notts Forest etc got stuck down here for longer.
Less than two years ago we had about 6 players, no academy, no manager and had to play pre-season in temporary shirts because we didn’t even have kits. We were also put under restrictions, which still haven’t run out yet. So yes, I think getting automatic promotion in this timeframe is an achievement. A very good one, actually.

Instead of belittling people who aren't fans of Warne or confident in him in the long term, why not try debating the points they make.
 

I certainly feel this way sometimes - but could it be that the quality of the football this season has been determined more by:
- the quality of the players available to Warne (loads of injuries, especially to those with better ability)
- His restrictions regarding recruitment
- The reality of the league and the way the opposition force you into playing at times 
I’ve seen us play some horrible hoofball this season but I don’t think we can say for sure that this is all on Warne and, if we go up, he’s going to have earned the right to have a go next season with (hopefully) better players 

In place of who though? To finish in the top 2 we’d have needed 22 more points at least, that’s a big, big swing for another manager to achieve. And it was with a squad assembled by somebody else. You’ve said before “I hate this team”, so clearly the players didn’t have what it took any way?
I’m not Warne’s number 1 fan, I’m not sold that he is the right long term option for us and I’d have been very happy to see him sacked after Stevenage away. But he’s gone on to make us dogged, resilient and efficient.
I can accept people may dislike his playing style or his personality, whatever, but I can’t see how anybody could argue that he’s not done an excellent job - providing we finish the job - given the circumstances.
He’s taken a side who was pieced together under restrictions by a different manager, straight out of administration, and built an ethos and an atmosphere that a lot have clearly bought into. I really don’t think it matters how big a side we are or how many fans we have, to be in this position 20 months after nearly ceasing to exist is a wonderful achievement.
Whether he finishes next season as our manager or not will remain to be seen, but he absolutely deserves the opportunity to take us into the Championship.

I certainly feel this way sometimes - but could it be that the quality of the football this season has been determined more by:
- the quality of the players available to Warne (loads of injuries, especially to those with better ability)
- His restrictions regarding recruitment
- The reality of the league and the way the opposition force you into playing at times 
I’ve seen us play some horrible hoofball this season but I don’t think we can say for sure that this is all on Warne and, if we go up, he’s going to have earned the right to have a go next season with (hopefully) better players 

I certainly feel this way sometimes - but could it be that the quality of the football this season has been determined more by:
- the quality of the players available to Warne (loads of injuries, especially to those with better ability)
- His restrictions regarding recruitment
- The reality of the league and the way the opposition force you into playing at times 
I’ve seen us play some horrible hoofball this season but I don’t think we can say for sure that this is all on Warne and, if we go up, he’s going to have earned the right to have a go next season with (hopefully) better players 

The football this season has been tough to watch, even when winning. There's definitely cause for concern when thinking about how we're going to do if we go up. 
But if Paul Warne manages to get us promoted with a squad that has been plagued with injuries all season whilst having next to no money to spend, then he will have more than earned the right to take us into next season.
He'll also have earned the chance to spend some money and mould this squad into what he wants.
Quite what that might, in theory, look like worries me slightly, based on what we've seen this season. But that's just an assumption. Maybe with some money to spend, Warne can overhaul the playing staff and get us playing some nicer stuff? We'll see.
The bigger question will then be: what money has he got to work with? 
The club and ownership will need to back him if he's going to have a decent chance.

The football this season has been tough to watch, even when winning. There's definitely cause for concern when thinking about how we're going to do if we go up. 
But if Paul Warne manages to get us promoted with a squad that has been plagued with injuries all season whilst having next to no money to spend, then he will have more than earned the right to take us into next season.
He'll also have earned the chance to spend some money and mould this squad into what he wants.
Quite what that might, in theory, look like worries me slightly, based on what we've seen this season. But that's just an assumption. Maybe with some money to spend, Warne can overhaul the playing staff and get us playing some nicer stuff? We'll see.
The bigger question will then be: what money has he got to work with? 
The club and ownership will need to back him if he's going to have a decent chance.

I certainly feel this way sometimes - but could it be that the quality of the football this season has been determined more by:
- the quality of the players available to Warne (loads of injuries, especially to those with better ability)
- His restrictions regarding recruitment
- The reality of the league and the way the opposition force you into playing at times 
I’ve seen us play some horrible hoofball this season but I don’t think we can say for sure that this is all on Warne and, if we go up, he’s going to have earned the right to have a go next season with (hopefully) better players 

The football this season has been tough to watch, even when winning. There's definitely cause for concern when thinking about how we're going to do if we go up. 
But if Paul Warne manages to get us promoted with a squad that has been plagued with injuries all season whilst having next to no money to spend, then he will have more than earned the right to take us into next season.
He'll also have earned the chance to spend some money and mould this squad into what he wants.
Quite what that might, in theory, look like worries me slightly, based on what we've seen this season. But that's just an assumption. Maybe with some money to spend, Warne can overhaul the playing staff and get us playing some nicer stuff? We'll see.
The bigger question will then be: what money has he got to work with? 
The club and ownership will need to back him if he's going to have a decent chance.

I certainly feel this way sometimes - but could it be that the quality of the football this season has been determined more by:
- the quality of the players available to Warne (loads of injuries, especially to those with better ability)
- His restrictions regarding recruitment
- The reality of the league and the way the opposition force you into playing at times 
I’ve seen us play some horrible hoofball this season but I don’t think we can say for sure that this is all on Warne and, if we go up, he’s going to have earned the right to have a go next season with (hopefully) better players 

I never said I felt it was likely. It's just the opinion I'm of really. None of us know what it'll be like, I just personally haven't enjoyed the football very much this year which I can appreciate is down to personal taste. I just have a feeling it isn't going to translate well to being in the division above when we don't have such advantages. 
I don't think Clowes would do what I'm suggesting for a second.
It could well have been determined by all of the above. And ultimately, if we see the job out it will be a success. I could be and would like to be wrong, I just have a feeling it won't be much fun for us next year. 
 
Everyone would take a mid table Championship season next year, and if Warne achieved that it would be a job well done. I'm slightly twitchy however that it'll be a real scrap at the bottom. Wednesday have awful recruitment of both the manager and players to blame and Plymouth are going to stay up from here. 

Highest number of points in a season for us,2nd as we stand with the highest goal difference....I'll take pragmatic over "playing nice stuff" to keep on winning....and he seems to know what he's doing,so I'll leave him to it 
 

I certainly feel this way sometimes - but could it be that the quality of the football this season has been determined more by:
- the quality of the players available to Warne (loads of injuries, especially to those with better ability)
- His restrictions regarding recruitment
- The reality of the league and the way the opposition force you into playing at times 
I’ve seen us play some horrible hoofball this season but I don’t think we can say for sure that this is all on Warne and, if we go up, he’s going to have earned the right to have a go next season with (hopefully) better players 

I certainly feel this way sometimes - but could it be that the quality of the football this season has been determined more by:
- the quality of the players available to Warne (loads of injuries, especially to those with better ability)
- His restrictions regarding recruitment
- The reality of the league and the way the opposition force you into playing at times 
I’ve seen us play some horrible hoofball this season but I don’t think we can say for sure that this is all on Warne and, if we go up, he’s going to have earned the right to have a go next season with (hopefully) better players 

The football this season has been tough to watch, even when winning. There's definitely cause for concern when thinking about how we're going to do if we go up. 
But if Paul Warne manages to get us promoted with a squad that has been plagued with injuries all season whilst having next to no money to spend, then he will have more than earned the right to take us into next season.
He'll also have earned the chance to spend some money and mould this squad into what he wants.
Quite what that might, in theory, look like worries me slightly, based on what we've seen this season. But that's just an assumption. Maybe with some money to spend, Warne can overhaul the playing staff and get us playing some nicer stuff? We'll see.
The bigger question will then be: what money has he got to work with? 
The club and ownership will need to back him if he's going to have a decent chance.

The football this season has been tough to watch, even when winning. There's definitely cause for concern when thinking about how we're going to do if we go up. 
But if Paul Warne manages to get us promoted with a squad that has been plagued with injuries all season whilst having next to no money to spend, then he will have more than earned the right to take us into next season.
He'll also have earned the chance to spend some money and mould this squad into what he wants.
Quite what that might, in theory, look like worries me slightly, based on what we've seen this season. But that's just an assumption. Maybe with some money to spend, Warne can overhaul the playing staff and get us playing some nicer stuff? We'll see.
The bigger question will then be: what money has he got to work with? 
The club and ownership will need to back him if he's going to have a decent chance.

The football this season has been tough to watch, even when winning. There's definitely cause for concern when thinking about how we're going to do if we go up. 
But if Paul Warne manages to get us promoted with a squad that has been plagued with injuries all season whilst having next to no money to spend, then he will have more than earned the right to take us into next season.
He'll also have earned the chance to spend some money and mould this squad into what he wants.
Quite what that might, in theory, look like worries me slightly, based on what we've seen this season. But that's just an assumption. Maybe with some money to spend, Warne can overhaul the playing staff and get us playing some nicer stuff? We'll see.
The bigger question will then be: what money has he got to work with? 
The club and ownership will need to back him if he's going to have a decent chance.

Aside from the occasional one or two, I don’t think anyone on here actually thinks the football club should sack their manager with three games (maybe a few more) to go.
I do think however that there’s a good chunk who don’t want to see another season of his football, even if that season is spent in the division above. 

Aside from the occasional one or two, I don’t think anyone on here actually thinks the football club should sack their manager with three games (maybe a few more) to go.
I do think however that there’s a good chunk who don’t want to see another season of his football, even if that season is spent in the division above. 

Totally agree with all of this.
I think the last few games of this season are, for supporters, make or break. If we don't go up I'm not sure there will be many that will want to see another season of League One with Paul Warne. It's been hard enough to watch this season...and we're second!
Whether or not David Clowes sees it that way, though...

My concern is that this season we are likely to post one of the highest, if not the highest ever wage bill recorded by a League One team. I think Ipswich 22-23 at £19.7m is currently the highest and that includes promotion bonuses. We could easily go over that with last season's wage bill at £17.2m. I suspect it will likely exceed £20m. 
This has to be it for Warne - make or break. If he doesn't win promotion then we go into another rebuild next season, ok without restrictions, but the club is already losing roughly £10m at this level from just standing still. I just don't see the appetite there for another Warne season - especially given the increases in season tickets which make us one of, if not THE, most expensive in the league. 
We miss out on promotion, which frankly will be through nothing but losing our own bottle and you're charging near on £600 for a season ticket on the West or East stand  next season. It's almost a given that you're going to have to replace managers in order to create a sense of excitement and a fresh start.
The very last thing the club need now is fans to stop turning up to games. 

You can’t take up 2 coach seats @Anag Ram you know 😲

Anyone from the previous trip heading up on this one on Saturday?