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5 minutes ago, Indy said:

Bristol City and EFL: “Discussions are still being held to establish whether forecast transfer revenue can be included, along with ticket sales, as an “add-back”, with City to seek independent auditors and transfer experts to determine the full figure, which is deeply subjective.”

Using auditors to determine a notional (ie fantasy) loss of ticket revenue and player sales that they want EFL to include in their profit/loss calculation for FFP. How convenient.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-ceo-sends-message-6477092.amp

 

 

Feel bad for the supporters ... Well some of them.

Supporters need to stick together.

3 hours ago, Rich84 said:

And where does it say they will get £5m?

Why would the stadium be in MSD control, Mel doesn't owe them money, the club do and until the admin process is sorted nothing will happen there.

This is the problem with the whole scenario,  people making up stories ? 

It doesn't say it anywhere, I'm just speculating.

What else is there for a new owner/administrator to do in a negotiation apart from offer a settlement? If it really is true that efl want this dipute sorted before we can exit administration then there is no other way apart from a payout. 

26 minutes ago, Cam the Ram said:

Despite various stories in newspapers and on Twitter, there is no further progress with the claims of Middlesbrough and Wycombe, but these will not prevent a preferred bidder from being named. After that Carl hopes further discussions can take place with all parties and hopes an agreement can still be arrived at.

https://www.dcfcbawt.org/post/black-white-together-s-meeting-with-the-administrators-10-01-2022

 

It upsets me that boro and or Wycombe are going to get money out of this. The agreement will be that Derby/new owner will pay em £5m quid to shut up to allow the takeover to complete with meritless claims. 

It's very much the same as us 'agreeing' the ffp points deduction, where no claim actually gets examined because Derby have no time due to the admin. 

Also, I thought the stadium had reverted to MSD??

The question I have about boros claim is that is it even enforceable in court?  51M is laughable because surely you'd need to prove the loss. 

Wycombe might be able to claim as their 'losses' aren't hypothetical if Derby are held liable. But can Derby even be held liable.. There's no suggestion from anyone that we 'cheated' last season.. Its simply the timing of the agreed penalty. 

Derby haven't done anything illegal, filed false accounts etc so I'm not sure how any obligation to pay could come across? Surely the only enforcer could be the efl? 

Rated joswiak in this game so far. 

Dont really like how Ashley does business in football or other sectors. Would prefer GSE again but eh beggars can't be choosers. 

Got to say I'm strangely quite happy about a Appleby-led takeover. Hopefully lead to a bit of stability. Just hope they don't do that weird ticket pricing structure again. 

'Yanks In'

1 minute ago, atherstoneram said:

Is the debt too big to be serviced if so, there will not be a preferred bidder,as the club won't be deemed viable and the bidders have pulled out. We don't know if there are any bids left on the table and the administrators certainly wouldn't announce it. It is no use keep going on about the administrators not telling us anything. Things have obviously have issues to overcome.

Did you get coal in your stocking this year? 

Let's have some positivity. 

Guess they need an immediate embargo until the ffp losses are agreed with the EFL. 

In all honesty I feel bad for most fans of clubs where spending goes out of control but there are some fans out there who I dont. 

To be fair, as a proportion the vaccinated are being admitted at higher rates. 

Curtis lucky there. 

Allsops keeping us in the game here

Not looking good at all unfortunately. Nothing redeeming about the performance so far. 

Rapid antigen tests do not pick up effects of vaccines. If you've got a line, however feint (as long as you've not left it out for hours and hours) - it's detected proteins of the virus.

The tests generally can't detect low levels hence the can't rule out an infection but basically can confirm one.

False positives are rare, but should be backed up by a pcr.

5 hours ago, Norman said:

Two-thirds of patients in hospital with the Omicron strain are not there with Covid as a primary reason

31 percent of patients with Covid in hospital right now caught it in hospital. 

Underlying health conditions play a huge part in the numbers. 

Would be interesting to know as a proportion of hospital admissions what covid admissions are.

Real risk we will go under due to this. 

1 hour ago, TexasRam said:

The Welsh Government Economy Minister Vaughan Gething has announced that from Boxing Day all sporting events will be played behind closed doors to help limit the spread of the Omicron COVID variant. This happens in England and say goodbye to Derby County Football club.

Unfortunately I agree.. We'll get even lower gates as people stay away as it is. 

2 hours ago, Gritstone Ram said:

Two jabs Lambeth - 59% - Wandsworth - 63%
Two jabs -Derbyshire Dale’s - 85% - Amber Valley 84%.

I think there are more people boosted in Derbyshire than are double jabbed in London.

Second dose in Derby City is only 70%. Nottingham is only 60%.

I live in London and most people I know have been double/triple vaccinated. I find it hard to believe that there are so many people not getting it but numbers don't lie I guess. 

2 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

I don’t know what the rumours are but I thought it was only a two week circuit breaker but if anything like previous restrictions that could be the thin end of the wedge.

And football could be put on hold not played behind closed doors . It’s mostly the footballers catching it anyway not the fans.

Yeah it's all coming out of the cabinet meeting this afternoon. Apparently likely to be a month. 

Rumours that 'step 2' restrictions will be reintroduced... That means pubs and restaurants will only be able to serve outdoors, rule of 6, no indoor meeting between households. This would also mean football would be behind closed doors.

In this scenario I can see Derby county being liquidated as we won't be able to borrow enough money to stay afloat with zero income. 

I absolutely cannot be doing with no indoor mixing. This has to be last resort. 

37 minutes ago, maxjam said:

Because the double vaxxed can still spread delta therefore its a flawed concept to begin with.

Would you support compulsory covid testing for entry in to pubs, restaurants, cinemas and other venues? 

11 minutes ago, Chester40 said:

Isn't that why MORI polls have a 'within 5% accuracy' or whatever disclaimer.  To within what accuracy disclaimer are these models before they are just propaganda? Seems a huge technicality to say 'in hindsight they weren't wrong they were just only accurate predictions with the information we had at the time'.?

That kind of modelling is different though. They are more likely linked to confidence intervals and statistics. 

Models are much more complex. The modellers will only have a limited understanding of how to calibrate the models, drawing on data from older epidemics/pandemics without the full scientific understanding about how relevant those assumptions are until later on. Therefore various scenarios should be used to test the sensitivity of different levers. 

A modeller would never characterise the results as 'predictions.'

I am a modeller.. Not a financial modeller or health or whatever. 

One thing we always have problems with is explaining the results to 'laypeople' (for the lack of a better word) and the results being misused. Models are only ever going to be good as how well they are calibrated and how good any assumptions are made. The models I build are much less complex than those used to predict policy impacts on a worldwide pandemic and much easier to sense check the models response. 

Models are best used (in my experience) to explore different scenarios to find a plausible range of scenarios rather than make precise predictions. I think the charts that have been shared publically have been a bit unhelpful. Ultimately its a political decision whatever course of action is taken and modelling can only ever be part of the decision making progress. 

At the start of the pandemic there were emails from the government asking for volunteers to join the modelling effort. So how much experience there is globally, is debatable - after all the virus is/was 'novel'. Its a hard job and I expect the modellers have been professional and rational in their approach.. Once the reports out the door to the superiors, how it's used and presented is out of their hands. 

In reality, cases are really starting to take off now which worries me as I have a load of commitments before travelling across the country for Christmas. Getting covid will mean another Christmas away from family. 

I suspect that there will be no more restrictions on meeting others unless there is a drastic worsening of the situation in the next 3/4 days. 

I had my booster this week at a walk in glad I'm not gonna be part of the scramble.