brady1993

Really well deserved win today. Should have perhaps done more with our chances but also limited them to not a deal. Forsyth and Knight standouts tonight. 
Other aside observation, I think we look better with Stretton up top.

Really well deserved win today. Should have perhaps done more with our chances but also limited them to not a deal. Forsyth and Knight standouts tonight. 
Other aside observation, I think we look better with Stretton up top.

Really well deserved win today. Should have perhaps done more with our chances but also limited them to not a deal. Forsyth and Knight standouts tonight. 
Other aside observation, I think we look better with Stretton up top.

Really well deserved win today. Should have perhaps done more with our chances but also limited them to not a deal. Forsyth and Knight standouts tonight. 
Other aside observation, I think we look better with Stretton up top.

Really well deserved win today. Should have perhaps done more with our chances but also limited them to not a deal. Forsyth and Knight standouts tonight. 
Other aside observation, I think we look better with Stretton up top.

This is sort of come down on it, I think he planned on staying but was deliberately leaving the door open a bit on the Newcastle job. Why ? I'm not 100% sure, perhaps it was because a premiership job at his boyhood club or perhaps it was because there was a new owner on the horizon and knowing how those things usually go he wanted to insure himself against it. I suspect the apologies when he came back were largely to smooth things over with fans and bury the hatchet.
Personally my unfounded cynical suspicion is that the sacking in each occasion was less about him and more about MM getting "his man" in post with both Clement and Rowett being rapidly appointed following McClaren's exit. With the Newcastle stuff being used as a bit of a smokescreen in the first instance and the down turn in results being used in the second instance.

This is sort of come down on it, I think he planned on staying but was deliberately leaving the door open a bit on the Newcastle job. Why ? I'm not 100% sure, perhaps it was because a premiership job at his boyhood club or perhaps it was because there was a new owner on the horizon and knowing how those things usually go he wanted to insure himself against it. I suspect the apologies when he came back were largely to smooth things over with fans and bury the hatchet.
Personally my unfounded cynical suspicion is that the sacking in each occasion was less about him and more about MM getting "his man" in post with both Clement and Rowett being rapidly appointed following McClaren's exit. With the Newcastle stuff being used as a bit of a smokescreen in the first instance and the down turn in results being used in the second instance.

In a weird way the harder the job has become the better he seems to have done. The way he's gone about his business is truly commendable and he deserves a hell of a lot of respect for it.

You say that about the 12 points and I get it but if you look at in the context of the league right now I think it's actually pretty possible. If things stay how they are right now with no further penalties and teams carry on with the form they've demonstrated so far then we'd actually finish 20th, overtaking the 4 teams immediately above us right now and there would be 3 more teams we'd only narrowly be behind (half a point on average). 
Like it seems wild but there quite a few teams struggling this season so far with a couple really struggling. 
(also it's 2 wins from 8 and only 2 losses in 8 )

I think there is an amount of room beyond 12 points we could possibly recover from. The following is some very rough, surface analysis:
Their are currently 4 teams in the league who are averaging 0.88 points per game or less, if they continue like that for the whole season then they end up on 40.25 pts. Beyond that their are a further 3 team averaging a point per game carried out over a season that will mean 46 points. What I suspect this means is that it's very likely this year that the team who finishes 22nd has a points total between those two numbers and that we are looking at a relatively low bar to finish 21st. Something like 44 points could well be enough.
Currently we are sat on -2 and have been averaging 1.25 points per game which would put us at 45.5 come the end of the season and I think we would likely be safe at that points total. What this means is that any further point deduction likely has to be compensated with an improvement in performance. Assuming that 44 is enough here are the rate we'd need to go at for further penalties:
0 - 1.21  3 - 1.29 6 - 1.37 9 - 1.45 In real terms what this roughly means is if we get hit by another 9 point penalty then we need to be picking up an extra point every 5 games which isn't impossible. I don't think it's likely mind especially given that none of this factors in the mental aspect of it and how it affects the players, nor does it factoring in anything going wrong or transfer activity. I just wanted to highlight that given the context of the league that our position as it stands today looks like it's recoverable and it still could be recoverable with a small amount of extra penalty.

I think there is an amount of room beyond 12 points we could possibly recover from. The following is some very rough, surface analysis:
Their are currently 4 teams in the league who are averaging 0.88 points per game or less, if they continue like that for the whole season then they end up on 40.25 pts. Beyond that their are a further 3 team averaging a point per game carried out over a season that will mean 46 points. What I suspect this means is that it's very likely this year that the team who finishes 22nd has a points total between those two numbers and that we are looking at a relatively low bar to finish 21st. Something like 44 points could well be enough.
Currently we are sat on -2 and have been averaging 1.25 points per game which would put us at 45.5 come the end of the season and I think we would likely be safe at that points total. What this means is that any further point deduction likely has to be compensated with an improvement in performance. Assuming that 44 is enough here are the rate we'd need to go at for further penalties:
0 - 1.21  3 - 1.29 6 - 1.37 9 - 1.45 In real terms what this roughly means is if we get hit by another 9 point penalty then we need to be picking up an extra point every 5 games which isn't impossible. I don't think it's likely mind especially given that none of this factors in the mental aspect of it and how it affects the players, nor does it factoring in anything going wrong or transfer activity. I just wanted to highlight that given the context of the league that our position as it stands today looks like it's recoverable and it still could be recoverable with a small amount of extra penalty.

Because he was being employed by MM does that mean he should be barred from criticising him ? Employment is a two way straight and on that MM hasn't exactly done his part with his completely inadaquate amouunt of communication to the staff. Thing is what did Rooney say that was so wrong yesterday, he was critical of Mel's behaviour in recent times and critical in particular of his communication to his staff after being asked directly about it in an interview whilst also commending MM for the money he'd put in and that it was time to move past him. Everything he said was within the realms of reasonable professional criticism.
It should be also said that on the other hand that MM (in the brief appearances he's made) has made comments that are thinly veiled criticism towards Rooney.
Is this accurate, especially the last line? He said something to the effect of "We need to move past him" not that he was glad he was gone right ? In my opinion it was very different tonally than what you are trying to represent here. The comments about insincerety and dishonesty were about MM's speech to the staff and his interview in particular not necessarily about the guy in general (although I'll concede that isn't much of a stretch).
Honestly I can't help but feel Rooney's comments were perfectly in the realms of reasonable about an individual, robust maybe but from everything that's going off at the club it's not exactly uncalled for. I can think of plenty other managers that would have absolutely torn into MM here. 

Because he was being employed by MM does that mean he should be barred from criticising him ? Employment is a two way straight and on that MM hasn't exactly done his part with his completely inadaquate amouunt of communication to the staff. Thing is what did Rooney say that was so wrong yesterday, he was critical of Mel's behaviour in recent times and critical in particular of his communication to his staff after being asked directly about it in an interview whilst also commending MM for the money he'd put in and that it was time to move past him. Everything he said was within the realms of reasonable professional criticism.
It should be also said that on the other hand that MM (in the brief appearances he's made) has made comments that are thinly veiled criticism towards Rooney.
Is this accurate, especially the last line? He said something to the effect of "We need to move past him" not that he was glad he was gone right ? In my opinion it was very different tonally than what you are trying to represent here. The comments about insincerety and dishonesty were about MM's speech to the staff and his interview in particular not necessarily about the guy in general (although I'll concede that isn't much of a stretch).
Honestly I can't help but feel Rooney's comments were perfectly in the realms of reasonable about an individual, robust maybe but from everything that's going off at the club it's not exactly uncalled for. I can think of plenty other managers that would have absolutely torn into MM here. 

I think there is an amount of room beyond 12 points we could possibly recover from. The following is some very rough, surface analysis:
Their are currently 4 teams in the league who are averaging 0.88 points per game or less, if they continue like that for the whole season then they end up on 40.25 pts. Beyond that their are a further 3 team averaging a point per game carried out over a season that will mean 46 points. What I suspect this means is that it's very likely this year that the team who finishes 22nd has a points total between those two numbers and that we are looking at a relatively low bar to finish 21st. Something like 44 points could well be enough.
Currently we are sat on -2 and have been averaging 1.25 points per game which would put us at 45.5 come the end of the season and I think we would likely be safe at that points total. What this means is that any further point deduction likely has to be compensated with an improvement in performance. Assuming that 44 is enough here are the rate we'd need to go at for further penalties:
0 - 1.21  3 - 1.29 6 - 1.37 9 - 1.45 In real terms what this roughly means is if we get hit by another 9 point penalty then we need to be picking up an extra point every 5 games which isn't impossible. I don't think it's likely mind especially given that none of this factors in the mental aspect of it and how it affects the players, nor does it factoring in anything going wrong or transfer activity. I just wanted to highlight that given the context of the league that our position as it stands today looks like it's recoverable and it still could be recoverable with a small amount of extra penalty.

All in therory but we are still operating on a very restricted squad and the big one is that we still have no goal scorers so gaining those extra points is extremely unlikely 12 points is still unlikely but it would give us something to actually play for 

I think there is an amount of room beyond 12 points we could possibly recover from. The following is some very rough, surface analysis:
Their are currently 4 teams in the league who are averaging 0.88 points per game or less, if they continue like that for the whole season then they end up on 40.25 pts. Beyond that their are a further 3 team averaging a point per game carried out over a season that will mean 46 points. What I suspect this means is that it's very likely this year that the team who finishes 22nd has a points total between those two numbers and that we are looking at a relatively low bar to finish 21st. Something like 44 points could well be enough.
Currently we are sat on -2 and have been averaging 1.25 points per game which would put us at 45.5 come the end of the season and I think we would likely be safe at that points total. What this means is that any further point deduction likely has to be compensated with an improvement in performance. Assuming that 44 is enough here are the rate we'd need to go at for further penalties:
0 - 1.21  3 - 1.29 6 - 1.37 9 - 1.45 In real terms what this roughly means is if we get hit by another 9 point penalty then we need to be picking up an extra point every 5 games which isn't impossible. I don't think it's likely mind especially given that none of this factors in the mental aspect of it and how it affects the players, nor does it factoring in anything going wrong or transfer activity. I just wanted to highlight that given the context of the league that our position as it stands today looks like it's recoverable and it still could be recoverable with a small amount of extra penalty.

Because he was being employed by MM does that mean he should be barred from criticising him ? Employment is a two way straight and on that MM hasn't exactly done his part with his completely inadaquate amouunt of communication to the staff. Thing is what did Rooney say that was so wrong yesterday, he was critical of Mel's behaviour in recent times and critical in particular of his communication to his staff after being asked directly about it in an interview whilst also commending MM for the money he'd put in and that it was time to move past him. Everything he said was within the realms of reasonable professional criticism.
It should be also said that on the other hand that MM (in the brief appearances he's made) has made comments that are thinly veiled criticism towards Rooney.
Is this accurate, especially the last line? He said something to the effect of "We need to move past him" not that he was glad he was gone right ? In my opinion it was very different tonally than what you are trying to represent here. The comments about insincerety and dishonesty were about MM's speech to the staff and his interview in particular not necessarily about the guy in general (although I'll concede that isn't much of a stretch).
Honestly I can't help but feel Rooney's comments were perfectly in the realms of reasonable about an individual, robust maybe but from everything that's going off at the club it's not exactly uncalled for. I can think of plenty other managers that would have absolutely torn into MM here. 

I think it was the way Morris abdicated all responsibility, for the staff, the players and the fans. Awful dereliction of his duty as the “leader” of this club.
loved the glory but totally mishandled the situation. Yes he should be thanked for his efforts, he tried his best. All he needed to do was admit defeat, communicate fully and walk away with the best intentions. He cocked that up. Not too late though. A simple apology and a fair position on the stadium and he may recover some of the gratitude he deserves.

Because he was being employed by MM does that mean he should be barred from criticising him ? Employment is a two way straight and on that MM hasn't exactly done his part with his completely inadaquate amouunt of communication to the staff. Thing is what did Rooney say that was so wrong yesterday, he was critical of Mel's behaviour in recent times and critical in particular of his communication to his staff after being asked directly about it in an interview whilst also commending MM for the money he'd put in and that it was time to move past him. Everything he said was within the realms of reasonable professional criticism.
It should be also said that on the other hand that MM (in the brief appearances he's made) has made comments that are thinly veiled criticism towards Rooney.
Is this accurate, especially the last line? He said something to the effect of "We need to move past him" not that he was glad he was gone right ? In my opinion it was very different tonally than what you are trying to represent here. The comments about insincerety and dishonesty were about MM's speech to the staff and his interview in particular not necessarily about the guy in general (although I'll concede that isn't much of a stretch).
Honestly I can't help but feel Rooney's comments were perfectly in the realms of reasonable about an individual, robust maybe but from everything that's going off at the club it's not exactly uncalled for. I can think of plenty other managers that would have absolutely torn into MM here. 

Exactly this. He criticised specific aspects of his recent relationship, when asked directly. 
Odd words are then taken out of context and made into headlines in the media. If all people ever do is listen to or read this narrative, then they believe - and repeat - something completely different. 
Always makes me angry. Not sure who with, the media, I think!

Because he was being employed by MM does that mean he should be barred from criticising him ? Employment is a two way straight and on that MM hasn't exactly done his part with his completely inadaquate amouunt of communication to the staff. Thing is what did Rooney say that was so wrong yesterday, he was critical of Mel's behaviour in recent times and critical in particular of his communication to his staff after being asked directly about it in an interview whilst also commending MM for the money he'd put in and that it was time to move past him. Everything he said was within the realms of reasonable professional criticism.
It should be also said that on the other hand that MM (in the brief appearances he's made) has made comments that are thinly veiled criticism towards Rooney.
Is this accurate, especially the last line? He said something to the effect of "We need to move past him" not that he was glad he was gone right ? In my opinion it was very different tonally than what you are trying to represent here. The comments about insincerety and dishonesty were about MM's speech to the staff and his interview in particular not necessarily about the guy in general (although I'll concede that isn't much of a stretch).
Honestly I can't help but feel Rooney's comments were perfectly in the realms of reasonable about an individual, robust maybe but from everything that's going off at the club it's not exactly uncalled for. I can think of plenty other managers that would have absolutely torn into MM here. 

Because he was being employed by MM does that mean he should be barred from criticising him ? Employment is a two way straight and on that MM hasn't exactly done his part with his completely inadaquate amouunt of communication to the staff. Thing is what did Rooney say that was so wrong yesterday, he was critical of Mel's behaviour in recent times and critical in particular of his communication to his staff after being asked directly about it in an interview whilst also commending MM for the money he'd put in and that it was time to move past him. Everything he said was within the realms of reasonable professional criticism.
It should be also said that on the other hand that MM (in the brief appearances he's made) has made comments that are thinly veiled criticism towards Rooney.
Is this accurate, especially the last line? He said something to the effect of "We need to move past him" not that he was glad he was gone right ? In my opinion it was very different tonally than what you are trying to represent here. The comments about insincerety and dishonesty were about MM's speech to the staff and his interview in particular not necessarily about the guy in general (although I'll concede that isn't much of a stretch).
Honestly I can't help but feel Rooney's comments were perfectly in the realms of reasonable about an individual, robust maybe but from everything that's going off at the club it's not exactly uncalled for. I can think of plenty other managers that would have absolutely torn into MM here. 

Because he was being employed by MM does that mean he should be barred from criticising him ? Employment is a two way straight and on that MM hasn't exactly done his part with his completely inadaquate amouunt of communication to the staff. Thing is what did Rooney say that was so wrong yesterday, he was critical of Mel's behaviour in recent times and critical in particular of his communication to his staff after being asked directly about it in an interview whilst also commending MM for the money he'd put in and that it was time to move past him. Everything he said was within the realms of reasonable professional criticism.
It should be also said that on the other hand that MM (in the brief appearances he's made) has made comments that are thinly veiled criticism towards Rooney.
Is this accurate, especially the last line? He said something to the effect of "We need to move past him" not that he was glad he was gone right ? In my opinion it was very different tonally than what you are trying to represent here. The comments about insincerety and dishonesty were about MM's speech to the staff and his interview in particular not necessarily about the guy in general (although I'll concede that isn't much of a stretch).
Honestly I can't help but feel Rooney's comments were perfectly in the realms of reasonable about an individual, robust maybe but from everything that's going off at the club it's not exactly uncalled for. I can think of plenty other managers that would have absolutely torn into MM here. 

Because he was being employed by MM does that mean he should be barred from criticising him ? Employment is a two way straight and on that MM hasn't exactly done his part with his completely inadaquate amouunt of communication to the staff. Thing is what did Rooney say that was so wrong yesterday, he was critical of Mel's behaviour in recent times and critical in particular of his communication to his staff after being asked directly about it in an interview whilst also commending MM for the money he'd put in and that it was time to move past him. Everything he said was within the realms of reasonable professional criticism.
It should be also said that on the other hand that MM (in the brief appearances he's made) has made comments that are thinly veiled criticism towards Rooney.
Is this accurate, especially the last line? He said something to the effect of "We need to move past him" not that he was glad he was gone right ? In my opinion it was very different tonally than what you are trying to represent here. The comments about insincerety and dishonesty were about MM's speech to the staff and his interview in particular not necessarily about the guy in general (although I'll concede that isn't much of a stretch).
Honestly I can't help but feel Rooney's comments were perfectly in the realms of reasonable about an individual, robust maybe but from everything that's going off at the club it's not exactly uncalled for. I can think of plenty other managers that would have absolutely torn into MM here. 

Because he was being employed by MM does that mean he should be barred from criticising him ? Employment is a two way straight and on that MM hasn't exactly done his part with his completely inadaquate amouunt of communication to the staff. Thing is what did Rooney say that was so wrong yesterday, he was critical of Mel's behaviour in recent times and critical in particular of his communication to his staff after being asked directly about it in an interview whilst also commending MM for the money he'd put in and that it was time to move past him. Everything he said was within the realms of reasonable professional criticism.
It should be also said that on the other hand that MM (in the brief appearances he's made) has made comments that are thinly veiled criticism towards Rooney.
Is this accurate, especially the last line? He said something to the effect of "We need to move past him" not that he was glad he was gone right ? In my opinion it was very different tonally than what you are trying to represent here. The comments about insincerety and dishonesty were about MM's speech to the staff and his interview in particular not necessarily about the guy in general (although I'll concede that isn't much of a stretch).
Honestly I can't help but feel Rooney's comments were perfectly in the realms of reasonable about an individual, robust maybe but from everything that's going off at the club it's not exactly uncalled for. I can think of plenty other managers that would have absolutely torn into MM here.