Ghost of Clough

23 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

I thought Fapetu showed promise. I’d rather have him than have Waghorn lolloping around like a fat angry bee 🐝 

We need a bit more dynamism. Weston is good but might struggle physically. 

It’s a gamble, but then so is playing older strikers who are not fully fit.
 

Fapetu is a CM

2 hours ago, YorkshireRam said:

Why are people preferring Ward over Wilson at RB? Neither are defensively amazing but Wilson has looked more solid there to my eyes (and gives away less penalties).

Playing Wilson at fullback gives him the space to use his greatest strength- progressive dribbling, whilst Ward as a winger would still be able to utilise his crossing. Given that Wilson sometimes lacks end product, this way round seems more sensible to me?

Wilson is better at RW than Ward

2 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Yes. I won't be saying who though. Two nominal fees for the Fornah and Washington deals with add on, Two other clubs were in for John-Jules so a fee became apparent.  

Fornah, Wilson and Washington were 'undisclosed'. Further details revealed nothing was paid upfront, but fees will be due upon certain clauses (promotion, sell-on, etc...)
John-Jules will have cost a loan fee in the form of a wage contribution. This is the same for all loans, although you typically get charged a lump fee on top at Championship level.

1 hour ago, richinspain said:

So you're saying then that in this £4m a year the wages of all players 21 or under are included? Obviously that means that the average wage of the first team squad is higher, but it really does make more sense to keep the category one status.

No, academy would be U21 squad and down with all staff and maybe building costs included. 

U21 players are simply excluded from the SCMP calculation.

1 hour ago, angieram said:

Weston for the last 20 against tired legs would be my call. Will only work when we are playing on the break but he is much better at avoiding the offside trap than Waggy or Wash! And he can finish.

Weston would do a job if partnered with Waggy or Collins. If playing with a front 3, he would have to be used on the wing. Potentially starting with Wilson, Waghorn, Blackett-Taylor, then finish with Weston, Collins and Washington

2 hours ago, richinspain said:

So Knight, Sibley etc don't count as first team players because they came through the academy system? In which case the cost of running the academy is peanuts if you take their wages out of that running cost. Or am I missing something?

Any player aged under 21 as of Jan 1st prior to the season starting (ie born in 2001 or later for last season). I thought it was only academy graduates, but it seems to include signigs too (such as Rooney).
For the current season, Sibley and Cashin are no logner excluded from the SCMP calculation, but Thompson and Rooney still are.

The academy costs around £4m a year at the moment.

6 hours ago, Ambitious said:

Clowes actually seems to acknowledge this is a loss-making industry, otherwise his best chance to make Derby sustainable would be to scrap the academy all together and continue signing players in free agency for the foreseeable. 

We know our first team staff cost £7.4m in 22/23, but overall wages were £17m. I believe has been increased to between £9-10m for first team costs so will be roughly running, as a club, similar wages to Preston. Albeit, they aren’t footing the cost of a Category One academy. 

The fact Clowes is happy to fund the academy isn’t a vanity project, he seems to acknowledge that it’s a risk/reward investment and is happy to foot the cost. Investment in the first team works in the same way, if you get it right. 

That £7.3m didn't include: Bielik and all other players out on loan; Knight, Sibley, Cashin and Thompson as they fall into the U21 academy system category; potentially Rooney and Oduroh for the same reason; potentially Loach due to being a part-time coach.

1 hour ago, jimtastic56 said:

There were Booos from us away fans when Adams was subbed . I don’t think any player was better than a 5 yesterday . Cashin’s marking for the goal was no where near good enough for Lg1 never mind the Championship . He also gave Wildsmith a rollicking when  he gave a late corner away himself . 

That was because Wildsmith had plenty of time to claim that long ball. His starring position wasn't too far off where it bounced in the box. Instead, he backed off, forcing Cashin to deal woth it instead.

1 hour ago, Andrew3000 said:

Now with Barkhuizen and NML out and Waggy being poor, does this cause a rethink?. Yes Collins is coming back but hes our only true focal point.  Washington and Waggy are not that. Brown could be useful from the bench.

No, because Warne won't use him anyway. Waghorn will start vs Blackpool, with Washington and Collins on the bench. The hope would be to get at least one of them fully fit.

1 hour ago, CBRammette said:

Looking at our threadbare squad are there really no exciting youngsters that could make a difference? 

A question at the fans forum was raised, asking Buxton and Hale if they think the U18/21 players ahold have been given more of an opportunity this season. The response being "they haven't done enough to convince Warne". They also stated Thomspon not being a top performer in the U21s, but stepping up seamlessly under Rooney.

None have played more than Robinson, who has only got 90 minutes vs a Wolves U21 side and hasn't played in any other game. The only player to feature in the League (Brown) has only got 13 minutes, I would be extremely surprised to see someone getting a chance this season.

Take that Wolves U21 game away, then you really see how willing Warne is to using them: Brown (30 mins), Radcliffe (11 mins) Weston (6 mins) and Fapetu (2 mins). It's pathetic.

They could have had a meaningful amount of minutes earlier in the season, even against the likes of Crewe or Bradford in Cup competitions, or when 2 goals up against Carlisle, Leyton Orient, and Bristol Rovers. If they were, we'd now have a better idea of whether they could step in for a couple of games. Even if they weren't ready, using them in more games would have helped keep our older players fresher, and potentially injury free.

I think Bradley just can't cope with any sort of pressure. He struggled when making his first few starts at home, and he's now crumbled under the pressure of expectation. 

Wildsmith

Ward   Nelson   Cashin   Elder

Smith   Adams

Wilson   Sibley   Blackett-Taylor

Waghorn

Subs: Evans, DRobinson, Thompson, Hourihane, Weston, Washington, Collins

Injuries and suspension XI:

Vickers

Nyambe   Rooney   Bradley   Forsyth

Mendez-Laing   Bird   Fornah   Barkhuizen

Collins   Gayle

Subs: John-Jules

What an idiot

Ref conned by their players calling for it.

After those changes, I can only assume Hohrihane stays on because Warne wants Bradley to get on the end of Hourihane's set pieces.

Bradley and Hourihane off for Smith and Blackett-Taylor asap

Wilson nudged in the box, but it would have been a soft penalty

Harsh yellow for Cashin

Adams with a free header, our best opportunity to score so far

Adams unlucky

Waggy misses, but it was a harder chance than it looked

The last couple of mins have been better. Starting to cause them a few problems

1 minute ago, Millenniumram said:

Incredibly poor, complacent start 

I would say nervy. Need to retain position for a bit and calm it down

Biggest surprise is Radcliffe going straight to the bench after being out for several months. Makes sense with no CB cover on the bench and only Smith covering CM. DRobinson away with N.Ireland would have been in the squad instead. I would have gone with Bartley tbh.