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So we are now accepting-12 and -9. That seems like we are taking the worst possible punishment that has been mooted so far.
We assumed the case was adjourned to allow this to be brought to a conclusion and why would that not be the case?
It seems sensible and we believe a settlement would be forthcoming. According to Percy for some inexplicable reason we have now moved from a position of fighting our corner to accepting certain relegation.
This makes no sense at all.
Does Percy even bother to check the plausibility of the guff he trots out?

Notwithstanding that nobody knows anything about was has happened, why it’s happened or anything else associated with what is really happening (ignoring speculation), we’re now turning on the administrators?

He also has a combined CB pairing of almost 80 and the best he’s been able to do is bring in a striker who can’t score to compete for a spot with another 35 year old.
Phil brown on the other hand had Tommy smith, idiakez, Seth johnson, michael johnson etc. There’s a lot more context to these comparisons than simply results. Wayne has not had a fair chance at even remotely putting his own team together. 
He will however be under a lot of pressure if he is our manager next season in league one to finally be measured on results - and I won’t be surprised if after say 8 games we don’t look like we are in the top 6 form, there will be a lot of people calling for him to go. 

You're criticising them for being too optimistic - no doubt you'd be saying the same if they were too pessimistic. They are professionals involved in an unpleasant task of unravelling the absolute mess our Club has been put in - maybe they should have said nothing until all matters were resolved?

You don't seem to grasp the difference between defending someone and not just relentlessly slagging them off at every opportunity.

Notwithstanding that nobody knows anything about was has happened, why it’s happened or anything else associated with what is really happening (ignoring speculation), we’re now turning on the administrators?

Presumably because we don't have a crystal ball and didn't know the appeal was going to fail.

So after all these weeks & months in talks with the EFL we end up with the 9 point deduction anyway. What an absolute waste of time. Also shows that there is no point talking with the EFL as they wont change from what they want.
So what does this mean about the integrity of the league this year, we have played 17 games where for the most part showed some fight and gave opposition a good game, whereas now we may as well blood the youngsters ready for next season or go all out attack. Complete different mentality for these remaining games than the first set.

If true this is not remotely acceptable from the admin team. Hardly the tough negotiators I was expecting .15 points was too high . 21 points would be beyond ridiculous and a shabby reflection room on all concerned

Top two`s looking a bit slim this season , concentrate on the cup , COYRs

I don't think plan B was administration, I think that you could have gone through the entire alphabet 3 years ago and still wouldn't have envisaged a 'covid' situation. Even during WW2, clubs were having supporters coming through the turnstiles to watch guest players playing for your team.
Take away covid, what would our current position be? I doubt very much that we'd be in administration.  I suspect that the playing staff would have been cut back, but not to the extremes we have now.  I also suspect that we would be facing some sort of points penalty, but again not to the level that we currently fear. I don't believe that before covid, anyone could predict a situation where Derby could end up in this situation.
Under the previous owners and Nigel's management, we had had years of mediocre football and had shown no ambition, I think that the consensus of the support at the time was that we were prepared to take a gamble and without the benefit of hindsight, not even contemplating the actual cost of failure.

1) That we know of so far.
2) other clubs do not have our season ticket income and suffered a proportionally smaller funding gap
3) whilst many of the allegations were / are under investigation / appeal or pending modest fines/punishments  for none compliance,  we were placed under embargo which prevented us accessing emergency funding available to others. 
4) our club was up for sale. The previous owner found himself in a situation akin to an overseas holiday company…. No one was buying ….for obvious reasons 

Why didn't you say before?
Any chance you could give us a brief overview of your experience of companies being in administration and how they were handled compared to ours, so we can get a bit of a feeling of what the administrators are doing wrong?

you do realise that there might not BE a club anymore....thanks to him.

You do realise that it's possible to be critical of how Mel Morris has ran the club but also with how the EFL has conducted itself, right?

Has it really come to this that a Derby fan is siding with anyone but Derby? 
Oh its you. 

They just had a short section on Derby on talk sport including talking with one of the Easdale's
From 11.22am
 

Why does every discussion about other clubs’, or their fans’, behaviour always turn into some form of self flagellation about the behaviour of our club’s, or our fan’s, behaviour.
Sort of reverse whataboutism where we can’t wait to find some other way to criticise ourselves.
In this case it’s particularly daft:
”There was an incident at Millwall where one of our players was abused”
”That’s terrible; assuming it’s a Millwall fan, we should be rightly critical of both the fan and club for making/allowing such things to happen”
”Whoa, hold on a minute, Derby fans have done and said some pretty bad things in the past, and the club has been very naughty lately, so it wouldn’t be right to criticise… We don’t want to be hypocritical”.
”You what? Should we not highlight and criticise any form of abuse, in any form, whoever made it and not be so f’ing precious about every utterance that is expressed in this forum just in case somebody might shine a light on our own failings?”
”No. We are Derby fans and thus must only ever be critical of Derby County”

It’s not dragging on though is it? The administrators made it clear they were hoping things would be sorted by the end of the year. Is it the end of the year yet?  

FWIW, I think there is a very good chance that we are going to go down this year. It’s only realistic to make that assumption given all the odds that are stacked against us. But let’s not revel in it. Let’s not gain say every fan who wants to be optimistic and positive about our chances. Let’s not give up hope. That’s what being a fan is about. Otherwise, why bother? 

Sure it is. And technically you were right in your post,  yet when it’s in print, you so often do it with a smart ass sneer that it gets people’s backs up.
A famous manager once said “The first rule of intelligence is to remember the other person isn’t stupid.”
If you think anyone of us, (even the most happy clappy gung-ho optimists) doesn’t realise we have a monumental never before achieved task then you do think we are all stupid ! We’re not - but we are supporters and need hope - however faint. 

Stop being so flaming negative he has no money to spend he has to make do.

It’s not dragging on though is it? The administrators made it clear they were hoping things would be sorted by the end of the year. Is it the end of the year yet?  

FWIW, I think there is a very good chance that we are going to go down this year. It’s only realistic to make that assumption given all the odds that are stacked against us. But let’s not revel in it. Let’s not gain say every fan who wants to be optimistic and positive about our chances. Let’s not give up hope. That’s what being a fan is about. Otherwise, why bother? 

It says to me we have a powerful case with the appeal and EFL are using the leverage of other deductions to stop us doing it.
If the sum total with a closed book remains at 12 then maybe it’s a road we have to go down 

So what you sayin?

It’s not dragging on though is it? The administrators made it clear they were hoping things would be sorted by the end of the year. Is it the end of the year yet?  

FWIW, I think there is a very good chance that we are going to go down this year. It’s only realistic to make that assumption given all the odds that are stacked against us. But let’s not revel in it. Let’s not gain say every fan who wants to be optimistic and positive about our chances. Let’s not give up hope. That’s what being a fan is about. Otherwise, why bother?