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[BramcoteRam84]

English football is going global, we’re trying to market ourselves like the NFL. Did I just see the EFL has just agreed an international deal for rights to EFL games?

It screws over the fans, who in the majority of cases are local to their team and therefore don’t care about the global aspect. The premier league has started all this, the biggest error in the history of English football is to allow the Premier League to happen, an independent organisation to football’s governing body whose only focus is on making it the richest league in the world attracting the best players and having 6 teams who are superpowers who can win champions leagues. The result is a league disconnected from the pyramid rigged in such a way that only the clubs who had established global fanbases (the big 6) can prosper unless you had a billionaire to make you one of the superpowers which now with the introduction of FFP they’re seemingly stopping/restricting.

Personally, I don’t care if an English team never wins the champions league again (unless it’s Derby). I don’t care if the worlds best players don’t play in the premier league, I don’t care if the premier league is labelled “best league in the world”, I want a top tier of English football that is attainable for 40-50 clubs and that the majority of those clubs have the chance to be competitive once in a while even if it’s not for a sustained period. If I had that, and an England national team that could win everything then that would do me fine and I think 90% of proper English football fans would say the same. 

Im not a socialist by any stretch but I do think some socialist principles need to be applied to English football to enable a proper reset of the game to make the whole league Pyramid more competitive. Without the playoffs the premier league would already be a closed shop by now and I still think this will be the season where the three promoted teams come back down and the three relegated teams go straight back up.

[jimtastic56]

12 minutes ago, BramcoteRam84 said:

English football is going global, we’re trying to market ourselves like the NFL. Did I just see the EFL has just agreed an international deal for rights to EFL games?

It screws over the fans, who in the majority of cases are local to their team and therefore don’t care about the global aspect. The premier league has started all this, the biggest error in the history of English football is to allow the Premier League to happen, an independent organisation to football’s governing body whose only focus is on making it the richest league in the world attracting the best players and having 6 teams who are superpowers who can win champions leagues. The result is a league disconnected from the pyramid rigged in such a way that only the clubs who had established global fanbases (the big 6) can prosper unless you had a billionaire to make you one of the superpowers which now with the introduction of FFP they’re seemingly stopping/restricting.

Personally, I don’t care if an English team never wins the champions league again (unless it’s Derby). I don’t care if the worlds best players don’t play in the premier league, I don’t care if the premier league is labelled “best league in the world”, I want a top tier of English football that is attainable for 40-50 clubs and that the majority of those clubs have the chance to be competitive once in a while even if it’s not for a sustained period. If I had that, and an England national team that could win everything then that would do me fine and I think 90% of proper English football fans would say the same. 

Im not a socialist by any stretch but I do think some socialist principles need to be applied to English football to enable a proper reset of the game to make the whole league Pyramid more competitive. Without the playoffs the premier league would already be a closed shop by now and I still think this will be the season where the three promoted teams come back down and the three relegated teams go straight back up.

We were just as good as Man Utd in the 70’s but they have left us in the dust and are now worth over £5 Billion . They have built themselves into a Worldwide brand . Bigger than any NFL team . If we are ever going to get anywhere near the top 6 in the next 50 years - There would have to be massive changes in football. A small step would be the end of Parachute Payments . 

[CBX1985]

15 minutes ago, BramcoteRam84 said:

English football is going global, we’re trying to market ourselves like the NFL. Did I just see the EFL has just agreed an international deal for rights to EFL games?

It screws over the fans, who in the majority of cases are local to their team and therefore don’t care about the global aspect. The premier league has started all this, the biggest error in the history of English football is to allow the Premier League to happen, an independent organisation to football’s governing body whose only focus is on making it the richest league in the world attracting the best players and having 6 teams who are superpowers who can win champions leagues. The result is a league disconnected from the pyramid rigged in such a way that only the clubs who had established global fanbases (the big 6) can prosper unless you had a billionaire to make you one of the superpowers which now with the introduction of FFP they’re seemingly stopping/restricting.

Personally, I don’t care if an English team never wins the champions league again (unless it’s Derby). I don’t care if the worlds best players don’t play in the premier league, I don’t care if the premier league is labelled “best league in the world”, I want a top tier of English football that is attainable for 40-50 clubs and that the majority of those clubs have the chance to be competitive once in a while even if it’s not for a sustained period. If I had that, and an England national team that could win everything then that would do me fine and I think 90% of proper English football fans would say the same. 

Im not a socialist by any stretch but I do think some socialist principles need to be applied to English football to enable a proper reset of the game to make the whole league Pyramid more competitive. Without the playoffs the premier league would already be a closed shop by now and I still think this will be the season where the three promoted teams come back down and the three relegated teams go straight back up.

I watch the PL, but don't really care who wins either.  However, the experience of fans in general is much better thanks to those innovations.  Pre-SKY, they were treated like s***.  The Baseball Ground pitch was a mud patch.  Now we (or did) have all seaters, with hospitality. 

The parallel world you describe exists today. It is practically all those countries that don't have a top league.  Why watch Rhyl or Melbourne Utd or Tokyo Allstars when you can watch Man City, or Chelsea etc?  

The Premier League being that league would not have stopped that process, happening it would have just meant it was some other league that benefited (and their second and third tiers also, by extension).  The difference being that we can play Man City and may, with time and luck, be in that division. That gives us a reason to survive and a reason to attract new fans.  

 

[Ram-Alf]

55 minutes ago, CBX1985 said:

  Sky TV money is the lifeblood of the game.  What some don't like is it's affects on their experience, as they are not the primary consumer: Sky are.  i would rather healthy balance sheets but crappy kick offs than the alternative.    

What is classed as a "healthy balance sheet?", How many of the 92 English clubs run at a profit?, Football is like a dog chasing it's tail it goes round and round in circles 🙄

Lets assume DCFC get promoted this season, An £8million windfall will be gone in an instant in players and wages, Fans will ask...no...demand money be spent on better players as they see the EPL as the land of milk and honey...that worked well for Sheff Utd.

Aston Villas losses 2022/23

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2024-03-05/aston-villa-confirms-120million-losses-but-what-does-it-mean-for-the-future

Man Untds estimated debt

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65131177

Football belongs in an insane asylum for the mentally imbalanced 😬 

 

 

[jimtastic56]

13 minutes ago, Ram-Alf said:

What is classed as a "healthy balance sheet?", How many of the 92 English clubs run at a profit?, Football is like a dog chasing it's tail it goes round and round in circles 🙄

Lets assume DCFC get promoted this season, An £8million windfall will be gone in an instant in players and wages, Fans will ask...no...demand money be spent on better players as they see the EPL as the land of milk and honey...that worked well for Sheff Utd.

Aston Villas losses 2022/23

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2024-03-05/aston-villa-confirms-120million-losses-but-what-does-it-mean-for-the-future

Man Untds estimated debt

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65131177

Football belongs in an insane asylum for the mentally imbalanced 😬 

 

 

Most of us borrow money to buy a house . That doesn’t mean we won’t make a profit on it . The Glazers have been offered £Billions for Man Utd , but have only sold 20% . Why ? Because they are stupid businessmen?  No , They know they can make a lot more . Owning a football club can make you money . If done right. 

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

1 hour ago, jimtastic56 said:

We were just as good as Man Utd in the 70’s but they have left us in the dust and are now worth over £5 Billion . They have built themselves into a Worldwide brand . Bigger than any NFL team . If we are ever going to get anywhere near the top 6 in the next 50 years - There would have to be massive changes in football. A small step would be the end of Parachute Payments . 

We were a lot better.  Top six is always achievable though.  Look at Villa and West ham. Top 3 is pretty much a closed shop.

[Tamworthram]

3 hours ago, CBX1985 said:

Nice sentiment, but we live in a market economy and professional football is one of the most competitive work environments of in the world.

The Premier League sells for big money all over the world.  The leagues below, for which we belong, are all - in reality - in competition with those clubs (i.e. they can go down and we can go up).

Unless you have a wage cap, in which case everyone will want to be paid the cap regardless of ability, halving wages cannot feasibly happen.  Teams that want to get into the PL are always going to want to spend to get there.  Teams don't have to pay any wages they don't want to; we wouldn't want to become League Two so need to pay a going rate for a short career that may end any given week that of 100 talented footballers, 1 will break through into an established pro.  They are highly skilled and require fair remuneration of that fact.  

Sky TV money is the lifeblood of the game.  What some don't like is it's affects on their experience, as they are not the primary consumer: Sky are.  i would rather healthy balance sheets but crappy kick offs than the alternative.    

 

Sky TV money is the lifeblood that allows the big clubs to pay obscene wages. Football existed before Sky and would continue to exist without it (after a period of painful adjustment). If the absence of Sky meant the premier league clubs couldn’t afford the sort of wages that attracts players from across the globe well, maybe I’m old school, but I wouldn’t shed too many tears.

[RoyMac5]

10 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

Sky TV money is the lifeblood that allows the big clubs to pay obscene wages. Football existed before Sky and would continue to exist without it (after a period of painful adjustment). If the absence of Sky meant the premier league clubs couldn’t afford the sort of wages that attracts players from across the globe well, maybe I’m old school, but I wouldn’t shed too many tears.

You are Jimmy Hill's nemesis and I claim my £5. 

[Alan Ramage 4 EVA]

11 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

Sky TV money is the lifeblood that allows the big clubs to pay obscene wages. Football existed before Sky and would continue to exist without it (after a period of painful adjustment). If the absence of Sky meant the premier league clubs couldn’t afford the sort of wages that attracts players from across the globe well, maybe I’m old school, but I wouldn’t shed too many tears.

If it wasn`t for sky tv ,I wouldn`t be able to laugh at all the plastic fans wearing football shirts on a Sunday afternoon as they  walk to the pub ,they have never been to Manchester or Liverpool , they only go to the Royal  Oak or Red Lion 

[jimtastic56]

15 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

We were a lot better.  Top six is always achievable though.  Look at Villa and West ham. Top 3 is pretty much a closed shop.

Love your optimism. W H Utd and Villa are from big cities, with £Billionaire owners . Teams like Spurs and Chelsea aren’t bad off either . Clowes has a 4 year plan to get settled in the Championship .Warne is finding it hard to keep up with the expectations of some fans .

[Simmo’s left foot]

17 hours ago, jimtastic56 said:

Lets assume DCFC get promoted this season, An £8million windfall will be gone in an instant in players and wages

Thats so true. Why, because of player wages being way too high. When will this silly bubble burst! I think the only way is to make rules that restrict the wage bill to a % turnover, and an immediate points deduction to any team who declare a trading loss. Then remove parachute payments and put relegation clauses in every player contract, so relegated players only get paid the going rate for the division they drop into.

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

5 hours ago, jimtastic56 said:

Love your optimism. W H Utd and Villa are from big cities, with £Billionaire owners . Teams like Spurs and Chelsea aren’t bad off either . Clowes has a 4 year plan to get settled in the Championship .Warne is finding it hard to keep up with the expectations of some fans .

Brighton then ?.  I've no doubt Clowes would sell should we get to a certain position.  Top 6 six championship and billionaire incoming.