Ram-Alf Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 10 hours ago, Ramarena said: The Russian air transport agency has released the list of people on board: Evgeniy Prigozhin Dimitry Utkin Sergey Propustin Evgeniy Makaryan Totmin Alexander Valeriy Chekalov Nikolay Matuseev And the rest were crew. Prig, Utkin and Chekalov were all top brass and the others are believed to be their security/bodyguards. So if this is real, it begs the question, why did a good portion of Wagners leadership get on that plane together? Someone's done their homework and someone's failed, Were they off to a "peace deal" with Putin, For those 3 to be on the same plane will only fuel the conspiracy theorists that this was a conspiracy 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 Sky News reporting this morning that the head of Russia's anti aircraft unit was removed from his post on Monday. Said he was a key Prigozhin ally and had likely been protecting him. One day later Prigozhin dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 3 hours ago, The Last Post said: Someone's done their homework and someone's failed, Were they off to a "peace deal" with Putin, For those 3 to be on the same plane will only fuel the conspiracy theorists that this was a conspiracy 😉 The current “theory” is that Putin tasked the GRU with replacing them in Africa and they all boarded the plane to go to Moscow to speak/demand he backs off. Not sure how close to the money this is but it’s definitely plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 Interesting noises on Telegram about a Ukrainian landing party making it onto Crimea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ramarena said: The current “theory” is that Putin tasked the GRU with replacing them in Africa and they all boarded the plane to go to Moscow to speak/demand he backs off. Not sure how close to the money this is but it’s definitely plausible. Doubt we'll get the real reason all were on the same flight, A British intelligence officer said on Sky that it was an inside job and a bomb was put in a bottle of Wine as a case of Wine was given to them before take off...the person who gave them the Wine was a Woman dressed in Blue as a Nun 😁 Sky Report 'Bomb in a wine crate' downed jet carrying Prigozhin, former intelligence officer suggests We've heard a lot of theories around what downed the jet supposedly carrying Yevgeny Prigozhin. Early suggestions ranged from engine troubles to surface-to-air missiles. Rumours continue to circulate online that the passengers on the plane were gifted with a crate of wine, which later exploded. These claims are unverified. "Certainly it's an inside job, the suggestion is that it's a bomb in a wine crate," former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele told Sky News. "That's a kind of ironic end for Putin's former caterer"." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Last Post said: Doubt we'll get the real reason all were on the same flight, A British intelligence officer said on Sky that it was an inside job and a bomb was put in a bottle of Wine as a case of Wine was given to them before take off...the person who gave them the Wine was a Woman dressed in Blue as a Nun 😁 Sky Report 'Bomb in a wine crate' downed jet carrying Prigozhin, former intelligence officer suggests We've heard a lot of theories around what downed the jet supposedly carrying Yevgeny Prigozhin. Early suggestions ranged from engine troubles to surface-to-air missiles. Rumours continue to circulate online that the passengers on the plane were gifted with a crate of wine, which later exploded. These claims are unverified. "Certainly it's an inside job, the suggestion is that it's a bomb in a wine crate," former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele told Sky News. "That's a kind of ironic end for Putin's former caterer"." Pretty obvious that the only way anyone could possibly know that the plane was downed by a bomb in a wine crate, was if they had actual knowledge that this was the case. Not like that could be deduced from the burning wreckage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, The Last Post said: Doubt we'll get the real reason all were on the same flight, A British intelligence officer said on Sky that it was an inside job and a bomb was put in a bottle of Wine as a case of Wine was given to them before take off...the person who gave them the Wine was a Woman dressed in Blue as a Nun 😁 Sky Report 'Bomb in a wine crate' downed jet carrying Prigozhin, former intelligence officer suggests We've heard a lot of theories around what downed the jet supposedly carrying Yevgeny Prigozhin. Early suggestions ranged from engine troubles to surface-to-air missiles. Rumours continue to circulate online that the passengers on the plane were gifted with a crate of wine, which later exploded. These claims are unverified. "Certainly it's an inside job, the suggestion is that it's a bomb in a wine crate," former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele told Sky News. "That's a kind of ironic end for Putin's former caterer"." Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 33 minutes ago, Ramarena said: The current “theory” is that Putin tasked the GRU with replacing them in Africa and they all boarded the plane to go to Moscow to speak/demand he backs off. I think we'll start to hear a lot more about Redut/Redoubt now as the primary band of mercenaries working for the GRU/replacing Wagner. Ramarena 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 Telegram channel VChk-OGPU is claiming Prigozhin and Utkin have been officially identified at the morgue, by one of their Wagner deputies. They say Prig was identified by missing part to one of his fingers that he suffered during his time in prison decades ago and Utkin was identified by his Nazi tattoos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Ramarena said: They say Prig was identified by missing part to one of his fingers that he suffered during his time in prison decades ago and Utkin was identified by his Nazi tattoos. Wait, what? He's Ukrainian? (According to St Vlad) Ramarena 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 10 hours ago, Stive Pesley said: Pretty obvious that the only way anyone could possibly know that the plane was downed by a bomb in a wine crate, was if they had actual knowledge that this was the case. Not like that could be deduced from the burning wreckage I shall be checking my next Laithwaites delivery very carefully. Boycie, Comrade 86, Stive Pesley and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) Was Prigozhin on the downed plane? Watch the video https://news.sky.com/video/prigozhin-crash-what-caused-the-plane-to-come-down-12946925 Edited August 25, 2023 by The Last Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Oh dear, looks like “the great Slav” tried to get out of the danger zone after Prigozhin’s demise and was arrested in Finland. This guy is a proper POS and Finland has arrested him for war crimes in Ukraine https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wagner-channels-say-russian-citizen-arrested-finland-is-top-fighter-2023-08-25/ Rusich is a Wagner affiliate who’ve been on the front line in Ukraine, mainly around Karkhiv and Bakhmut. They are the group that are linked with beheading video of the Ukrainian POW after they posted it on their Telegram channel. Seems to be why he was arrested. In other news Wagner graves are being demolished by the Russian state https://www.thedailybeast.com/wagner-fighters-graves-reportedly-bulldozed-in-russia-after-prigozhin-crash And Telegram channels have Ukraine allegedly making significant progress beyond Robotyne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Confirmed Dead https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66632924 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, The Last Post said: Confirmed Dead https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66632924 confirmed by Russia. He may well be or he may be in Azerbaijan or Ilkeston. Who knows. Edited August 27, 2023 by sage Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 19 minutes ago, sage said: confirmed by Russia. He may well be or he may be in Azerbaijan or Ilkeston. Who knows. If he is in Ilson he will soon wanting to go back to Ukraine 😉 Boycie, i-Ram, Stive Pesley and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, Reggie Greenwood said: If he is in Ilson he will soon wanting to go back to Ukraine 😉 I find Cotmanhay or more salubrious place to live for your health 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Sounds like a huge drone attack on multiple military sites in various regions of Russia tonight. It’ll be interesting to see what info tomorrow brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 BBC run a piece about how Ukraine losses are "mounting up" but most of the individuals examples quoted seem to be months ago. Is this a major concern at this stage? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66581217 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: BBC run a piece about how Ukraine losses are "mounting up" but most of the individuals examples quoted seem to be months ago. Is this a major concern at this stage? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66581217 It's a war of attrition and Russia have more troops. They need to make a peace settlement. It will hurt but they will have to give up the Crimea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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