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Mucker1884
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Any chance of a ceasefire sometime soon?  😲 Laddo's currently in Lublin (Poland) finalising the paperwork/Visas etc, before catching the train into Ukraine on Wednesday, to start his next adventu

Ram-Alf
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Is that a back 4 or a back 5...asking for Curtains 

Eddie
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Those are her strong points.

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3 hours ago, ramit said:

Keeping in mind that the first casualty of war is truth and that propaganda is used by both sides, much discernment is required to follow events with any hint of confidence.

Noted, but I think I'll assume he is actually dead until he shows up alive and kicking. 

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9 hours ago, Malagaram said:

When clicking on this link my antivirus(avast)wouldnt allow me to open with a virus warning

It's a story from the Business Standard, I doubt that the Business Standard have any Porn or Chinese/Russian advertising...but you never know ?

All about a Russian Senior officer found hanged, He was putting up his Xmas decorations  slipped and the Garlands were caught round his neck and choked to death, Could have been worse...an exploding Xmas Cracker ?

I don't think there were any high rise hospitals nearby that he could have accidently fell out the window from ?

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1 hour ago, Ramarena said:

So after huge votes in favour of being annexed, Putin now declares martial law in all annexed regions of Ukraine.

Does anyone think those “referendums” might have been manipulated?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-declares-martial-law-annexed-ukrainian-regions-rcna52926

You definitely don't need martial law if you are so popular

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There seems little doubt that Russia's intention is to use a tactical nuclear weapon in Kherson,hence the evacuation of the region (when had Putin cared about civilian casualties) and the sudden proclamations that the situation in the region is dire and that they are struggling (creating a pretext amongst the domestic russian population to justify the use of a nuclear to device)

Aside from the horrendous short and long term destruction that this will cause,we also have the likely retaliation against Russian military assets by the west (whether by American or indeed the full nato group) that will inevitably follow as punishment for its use (strikes on the black sea fleet,destruction of equipment within Ukraine and disabling of  border anti air sites/runways,reducing Russia capabilities)

The problem is that Putin isn't in a remotely place and seems to be genuinely moving to a stance which will lead to direct conflict with the west.

Our only hope is that wiser and cooler heads in the Kremlin prevail...although I'm not particularly hopeful.

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11 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

There seems little doubt that Russia's intention is to use a tactical nuclear weapon in Kherson,hence the evacuation of the region (when had Putin cared about civilian casualties) and the sudden proclamations that the situation in the region is dire and that they are struggling (creating a pretext amongst the domestic russian population to justify the use of a nuclear to device)

Aside from the horrendous short and long term destruction that this will cause,we also have the likely retaliation against Russian military assets by the west (whether by American or indeed the full nato group) that will inevitably follow as punishment for its use (strikes on the black sea fleet,destruction of equipment within Ukraine and disabling of  border anti air sites/runways,reducing Russia capabilities)

The problem is that Putin isn't in a remotely place and seems to be genuinely moving to a stance which will lead to direct conflict with the west.

Our only hope is that wiser and cooler heads in the Kremlin prevail...although I'm not particularly hopeful.

I'm hoping this is all Putin playing out a serious Nuclear threat rather than he's actually laying the groundwork. 

They have to think about the response too. Do America strike at them? And they certainly can't win that war. 

Or do America/NATO avoid WW3 but then they'll take steps to isolate Russia further? 

At least even now there's a way out for Russia. 

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Just now, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

There seems little doubt that Russia's intention is to use a tactical nuclear weapon in Kherson,hence the evacuation of the region (when had Putin cared about civilian casualties) and the sudden proclamations that the situation in the region is dire and that they are struggling (creating a pretext amongst the domestic russian population to justify the use of a nuclear to device)

Aside from the horrendous short and long term destruction that this will cause,we also have the likely retaliation against Russian military assets by the west (whether by American or indeed the full nato group) that will inevitably follow as punishment for its use (strikes on the black sea fleet,destruction of equipment within Ukraine and disabling of  border anti air sites/runways,reducing Russia capabilities)

The problem is that Putin isn't in a remotely place and seems to be genuinely moving to a stance which will lead to direct conflict with the west.

Our only hope is that wiser and cooler heads in the Kremlin prevail...although I'm not particularly hopeful.

Isn't there a chance that they are just withdrawing Russian troops and pro-Russian civilians in the face on the oncoming Ukrainian advance into the city ?  The Russian army seems to realize that it can't hold Kherson for much longer so it's time to get out. 

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1 hour ago, Highgate said:

Isn't there a chance that they are just withdrawing Russian troops and pro-Russian civilians in the face on the oncoming Ukrainian advance into the city ?  The Russian army seems to realize that it can't hold Kherson for much longer so it's time to get out. 

Unlikely they would announce weakness without an agenda,that's not Putin's way.

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Just now, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

Unlikely they would announce weakness without an agenda,that's not Putin's way.

Agree. 

But I think he's just making it appear that a nuclear strike is a possibility. 

And who dare call his bluff? 

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2 minutes ago, Alpha said:

Agree. 

But I think he's just making it appear that a nuclear strike is a possibility. 

And who dare call his bluff? 

The Ukrainians,if they continue to advance will be the ones calling his bluff.

In Putin's mind,its either lose and look weak to his domestic audience or ramp up the stakes again with a low yield nuke which will halt the advance and  pass the cards into the west's lap as to what response would be required.

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Just now, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

Unlikely they would announce weakness without an agenda,that's not Putin's way.

But has he actually announced the evacuation in Russia ?  Or was it the Russian head of the Kherson region declaring the evacuation in Ukraine...something which was already obvious to everyone there. 

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4 hours ago, Alpha said:

I'm hoping this is all Putin playing out a serious Nuclear threat rather than he's actually laying the groundwork. 

They have to think about the response too. Do America strike at them? And they certainly can't win that war. 

Or do America/NATO avoid WW3 but then they'll take steps to isolate Russia further? 

At least even now there's a way out for Russia. 

It could also be a way of getting members of the GRU and KSB out, by mixing them in with some civilians. 

I think this evacuation is mainly these types and the people that came with them.

Maybe even to get some elements of the army out intact, without them leaving all their military hardware behind for Ukraine like they did in Kharkiv. There army is absolutely shattered and they can’t leave it to be further decimated.

I wouldn’t necessarily jump to the nuke conclusion. I’m not saying it won’t happen, more there are other possible reasons too.

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Apparently Russia defence minister Shiogu has been phoning around Europe warning countries about Ukraine's plans to use a 'dirty bomb' against Russian troops.  He then goes on to warn of an 'uncontrolled escalation' in the conflict as a result.   

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukrainw-russia-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskyy-defense-chief-claims-of-kyiv-dirty-bomb/

More blatant lies from Moscow obviously, but very sinister considering how Russia would then respond, if they alleged the dirty bomb was denoted on their recently annexed regions of Ukraine.

Another unsubstantiated rumour coming out of Ukraine was that Russia was planning the bomb the huge dam on the Dnieper,..which could flood many towns and cities down stream (hence the evacuation of Kherson).  No actual proof of this but given Russia's assault on Ukraine's energy infrastructure (a blatant war crime...but then the whole invasion is a war crime), is does seem like a plausible target.  

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3 hours ago, Highgate said:

Apparently Russia defence minister Shiogu has been phoning around Europe warning countries about Ukraine's plans to use a 'dirty bomb' against Russian troops.  He then goes on to warn of an 'uncontrolled escalation' in the conflict as a result.   

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukrainw-russia-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskyy-defense-chief-claims-of-kyiv-dirty-bomb/

More blatant lies from Moscow obviously, but very sinister considering how Russia would then respond, if they alleged the dirty bomb was denoted on their recently annexed regions of Ukraine.

Another unsubstantiated rumour coming out of Ukraine was that Russia was planning the bomb the huge dam on the Dnieper,..which could flood many towns and cities down stream (hence the evacuation of Kherson).  No actual proof of this but given Russia's assault on Ukraine's energy infrastructure (a blatant war crime...but then the whole invasion is a war crime), is does seem like a plausible target.  

We seem to be finding that Russia makes accusations about Ukraine over the things that it's planning itself.

- Russia accuses Ukrainians of being Nazi's- Russia commits multiple acts of genocide,

- Russia accuses Ukraine of terrorism- Russia sends countless missiles and drones to bomb Ukrainian civilians,  

- Russia accuses Ukraine of assassination attempts- Numerous Russian Oligarchs die from mysterious "suicides", etc, etc.

The dirty bomb line is another example. It doesn't help that so much poo has come out of Shiogu's mouth, how can anyone believe him?

On the dam, it has already been heavily mined by Russia, so there is potential for them to blow it up. However if they did it would cause as many problems for Russia as it would Ukraine. It would be an act of monstrous stupidity, so unfortunately not out of keeping with Russia's actions. 

There was also an interesting Russia Today story this weekend. RT ended up having to sack one of their leading host to save face in the West, The host declared that Ukrainian children who believed Russia's occupation of Ukraine was wrong should be drowned in the river for their sins!

Lovely stuff!

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/rt-expels-propagandist-tv-host-233603120.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEOdvxDm8jADiEH1lC4pVwB8K6eSTCMOvNQDnMGkSPkbmaCpgTV7x4vMDQ5_bWwk6_1SPI8_QPNgKNS2SSERzFno9dYcrnK-M7AIsVJ-oVYGdT-0TT0q501y-jPInjFiyKBdl7_DOq202S3K0Du0rKFZ35iGZZsE_T-Y7hptneq3

 

 

 

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