cstand Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: What will you do if we draw Qatar? Send the kids up ladders to fix the roof for a few pennies and become raging homophobics? ? I certainly would not be sending kids up ladders to fix roofs, according to the latest working at heights regs you can only work off ladders unless it’s impractical to use any other forms of working at height equipment with fall arrest safety procedures in place even then a risk assessment has to be done by a qualified person before a ladder could be used. Also they would have to be trained in the latest LOLER & PUWER regs if all this criteria is met I don’t see why not. ?? Edited June 4, 2022 by cstand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 5 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: He was ordinary. He could have been dire. He still deserved his chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 13 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: He was ordinary. So you’re saying he was our best player? I’m not sure anyone else reached the heady heights of ‘ordinary’. Rammy03 and RoyMac5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: So you’re saying he was our best player? I’m not sure anyone else reached the heady heights of ‘ordinary’. Absolutely - if you class his performance as ordinary it shows just how poor the rest of them were. Thought he gave a very good account of himself and was the only one to look as if he actually cared about the game - most of the others wanted to be on the beach….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Gaspode said: Absolutely - if you class his performance as ordinary it shows just how poor the rest of them were. Thought he gave a very good account of himself and was the only one to look as if he actually cared about the game - most of the others wanted to be on the beach….. He was a striker? Did he score, he had chances. Didn't play Kane through at one point I vaguely remember. I'm sure he's a decent Prem player, but yesterday he looked ordinary. What's the point in bigging up the team/management they were ordinary. We were beaten by Hungary for the first time since 1962, they deserve the praise. They looked as if they could/should have scored 3 or 4 easily. The passed to each other and had a pattern of play. Edited June 5, 2022 by RoyMac5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Just read that Messi scored five goals against Estonia earlier. One of the countries Ronaldo has also used to pad out his international goals haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said: Just read that Messi scored five goals against Estonia earlier. One of the countries Ronaldo has also used to pad out his international goals haul. They don’t have as many proper minnows in South America do they. Nothing to compare with Andorra and San Marino. So messi has that disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 2 hours ago, TigerTedd said: They don’t have as many proper minnows in South America do they. Nothing to compare with Andorra and San Marino. So messi has that disadvantage. Yeah. Ronaldo deserves all the props in the world for his record at club level, but you can’t take his international level seriously considering he has scored 40 of his goals alone against Luxembourg, Andorra, Lithuania, Armenia, Latvia and the Faroe Islands. Interestingly, Estonia has now jumped into joint fourth place on Messi’s list of most goals against a single opposition. And he has only played against them once. Ronaldo, meanwhile, has only ever scored twice against teams from South America. I’m trying to think if Portugal have actually played anyone from South America at World Cups aside from Uruguay who they lost to in 2018. They always seem to get dumped out the moment they play a decent European side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 7 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: Yeah. Ronaldo deserves all the props in the world for his record at club level, but you can’t take his international level seriously considering he has scored 40 of his goals alone against Luxembourg, Andorra, Lithuania, Armenia, Latvia and the Faroe Islands. Interestingly, Estonia has now jumped into joint fourth place on Messi’s list of most goals against a single opposition. And he has only played against them once. Ronaldo, meanwhile, has only ever scored twice against teams from South America. I’m trying to think if Portugal have actually played anyone from South America at World Cups aside from Uruguay who they lost to in 2018. They always seem to get dumped out the moment they play a decent European side. Current FIFA top 10 - Brazil, Belgium, France, Argentina, England, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Mexico, Netherlands Goals vs the top 10: Messi - 7 Ronaldo - 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Current FIFA top 10 - Brazil, Belgium, France, Argentina, England, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Mexico, Netherlands Goals vs the top 10: Messi - 7 Ronaldo - 13 Hasn’t Ronaldo likely played against those sides about 4x as much? I could be wrong but I don’t ever recall Messi playing against England for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Goals vs the top 10: Messi - 7 Ronaldo - 13 What have you used for stats? I get: Messi: 5 vs Brazil 3 vs Mexico 2 vs Spain 1 vs Germany, France and Portugal. Ronaldo: 4 vs Netherlands 3 vs Belgium and Spain 2 vs France, 1 vs Germany and Argentina Anon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Bris Vegas said: Hasn’t Ronaldo likely played against those sides about 4x as much? I could be wrong but I don’t ever recall Messi playing against England for instance. It's much closer than you'd think. Against these 10 sides, Ronaldo has played 34 games, Messi 29. 2 hours ago, Jubbs said: What have you used for stats? I get: Messi: 5 vs Brazil 3 vs Mexico 2 vs Spain 1 vs Germany, France and Portugal. Ronaldo: 4 vs Netherlands 3 vs Belgium and Spain 2 vs France, 1 vs Germany and Argentina I get the same, but discounting Germany since they aren't currently in the top 10. Messi 29 games - 12 goals - 0.41 per game Ronaldo 34 games - 13 goals - 0.38 per game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 15 minutes ago, Anon said: It's much closer than you'd think. Against these 10 sides, Ronaldo has played 34 games, Messi 29. I'd be interested to see the other way around. How many of Ronaldo/Messi goals are vs teams outside the top 50? For example, Ronaldo has: 9 goals vs Luxembourg (94th) 7 vs Lithuania (138th) 6 vs Andorra (153rd) 5 vs Latvia (135th) Nearly 25% coming against teams near rank 90 and below. Messi's lowest are: 3 vs Guatemala (118th) 3 vs Haiti (90th) 2 vs Nicaragua (144th) 2 vs Hong Kong (147th) Putting him at 12% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Jubbs said: I'd be interested to see the other way around. How many of Ronaldo/Messi goals are vs teams outside the top 50? For example, Ronaldo has: 9 goals vs Luxembourg (94th) 7 vs Lithuania (138th) 6 vs Andorra (153rd) 5 vs Latvia (135th) Nearly 25% coming against teams near rank 90 and below. Messi's lowest are: 3 vs Guatemala (118th) 3 vs Haiti (90th) 2 vs Nicaragua (144th) 2 vs Hong Kong (147th) Putting him at 12% It’s evident that Ronaldo has played against far weaker opposition overall as the gulf in standard in Euro qualifying and South America qualifying is big. Especially as Portugal are a seeded team so their toughest opponents are usually of the ilk of Serbia or Sweden. Messi’s easiest opponents are Bolivia (probably the standard of say Macedonia) whereas the likes Chile, Ecuador, Colombia and Paraguay are far better than the rest of the rabble like Lichtenstein, Andorra, Luxembourg, Armenia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia etc. Edited June 6, 2022 by Bris Vegas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Unless he's injured it's complete nonsense to see that Tomori can't even make the bench for tonight's match against Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Southgate back to his more usual 4231, with 2 cdms. Not expecting much front foot play from us this evening..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Come on England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Could be the end of Phillips evening. Down twice already after a blow on the thigh. Is Southgate going to go 433? Trippier at lb in the obligatory "out of position" role... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Lucky escape. Maguire very weak in the challenge there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Maguire being a complete donkey there and lucky that the German forward running on was offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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