G STAR RAM Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, GboroRam said: By dismissing the views of the majority of people forecasting anything, trashes all analysis. Of course the future isn't known, but we can make some predictions. The leave supporters dismissed everything that said that leaving will cause damage to the economy because it didn't meet their needs at the time. That's quite clearly not true though is it? There were plenty of us who said we thought there would be short term pain but believed we would prosper in the long run. Things weren't considered by the leave supporters - they were dismissed as "project fear" or "experts" who know nothing. Are we talking about all of the job losses that were going to arise from a Leave vote? Or maybe us running out to food, fuel and medicine? I wouldn't advise a woman to shoot herself in the head even if she were in an abusive relationship. By saying you don't know the future, you can't say if shooting yourself in the head will be good or bad is the kind of disingenuous argument used by Brexit supporters. Almost all the analysis shows Brexit to be a harmful, dangerous choice. We're the laughing stock of Europe yet still believe we're doing a good thing. Laughing stock of Europe? Really? Who is laughing at us? The powerhouses such as Luxemburg and Belgium? I dont see the residents of Greece or Italy laughing? We will see how loud the laugh is when these countries realise someone is going to have to plug the gap that us leaving the EU causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 39 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: That's quite clearly not true though is it? There were plenty of us who said we thought there would be short term pain but believed we would prosper in the long run. But you've just admitted that nobody, nobody knew what would happen when the vote came up to leave. All they voted for was to leave. Anyone who said they had any idea what the future was going to be was making it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 47 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: we thought there would be short term pain but believed we would prosper in the long run. Are we talking about all of the job losses that were going to arise from a Leave vote? Or maybe us running out to food, fuel and medicine? What if the "short term pain" involved some or all of those things? How long would you accept the short term lasting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: What if the "short term pain" involved some or all of those things? How long would you accept the short term lasting? That running out of fuel, food and medicine line is a tad boring now. As for job losses, it's like any other day, companies come and companies go. Brexit could prove to be negative for carrot farmers in Lincoln but Cornish aubergine farmers could boom. Just another day in the commercial world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 27 minutes ago, GboroRam said: But you've just admitted that nobody, nobody knew what would happen when the vote came up to leave. All they voted for was to leave. Anyone who said they had any idea what the future was going to be was making it up. Ok I give up. You win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 5 hours ago, McRamFan said: So the Tories take away the nursing bursaries, and then decide to bring in staff from abroad. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50338073 I'm sure they will flock here, especially to treat some old gammon who insists on being treated by english person, and would probably say 'I voted for you to leave my country'. Great post McRamFan you are absolutely correct we should put British people first before accepting staff from abroad. Train everyone for meaningful employment so they cannot stop at home on benefits this will not be an option. But I would feel sorry for any white English person made to care for a sad socialist in a nursing home only to be called a gammon faced racist fascist pig everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 I see Anna Soubry got busted yesterday trying to peddle a Lib Dem Remain activist as a leaver who had seen the light. I hope she get absolutely smashed in the election and losses her deposit. Just where do these people get off ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 minute ago, cstand said: Great post McRamFan you are absolutely correct we should put British people first before accepting staff from abroad. Train everyone for meaningful employment so they cannot stop at home on benefits this will not be an option. But I would feel sorry for white English person made to look after a sad socialist in a nursing home only to be called a gammon faced racist fascist pig everyday. INCOMING !!!! I can feel the Triggering from here. Be prepared for copious google links coming your way. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: INCOMING !!!! I can feel the Triggering from here. Be prepared for copious google links coming your way. ? Off to work now unfortunately though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 44 minutes ago, cstand said: Great post McRamFan you are absolutely correct we should put British people first before accepting staff from abroad. Train everyone for meaningful employment so they cannot stop at home on benefits this will not be an option. But I would feel sorry for any white English person made to care for a sad socialist in a nursing home only to be called a gammon faced racist fascist pig everyday. I hope that not referring to Jezza if he doesn't win - I thought he was a bit more mild mannered than that though. He leaves all the shouty insult stuff to the Momentum-ites ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, SchtivePesley said: What if the "short term pain" involved some or all of those things? How long would you accept the short term lasting? It won't. At least there's absolutely no credible evidence to suggest that there will be. In terms of short term suffering, personally, up to 10 years would be tolerable for me. What if we stayed in the EU how long would you accept our current circumstances for? Afterall you seem to tell us quite often how bad a state the country is in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 18 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: It won't. At least there's absolutely no credible evidence to suggest that there will be. In terms of short term suffering, personally, up to 10 years would be tolerable for me. What if we stayed in the EU how long would you accept our current circumstances for? Afterall you seem to tell us quite often how bad a state the country is in. 10 years, don’t think project fear came close to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 47 minutes ago, Spanish said: 10 years, don’t think project fear came close to that Nobody would last 10 years without food, medicine and fuel. Well not that any of us will be able to afford them when we are all made redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 21 hours ago, Angry Ram said: Maybe sometimes it's better not to post.. I've already proved that skilled people are flocking here at higher levels since 2009. There are skilled people here that are being held back, the reason why, it's cheaper to bring them in, then train your own. Skilled people have been coming here since 17th century, in the modern era, so your 2009 point is a bit left wanting. But well done, pat your self on the head and have a glass of champagne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, McRamFan said: There are skilled people here that are being held back, the reason why, it's cheaper to bring them in, then train your own. Skilled people have been coming here since 17th century, in the modern era, so your 2009 point is a bit left wanting. But well done, pat your self on the head and have a glass of champagne. Well if hes going to do that do it now, once Brexit goes through will have to make do with a bottle of Derbyshire Fizz dont you know, because it will be too expensive to import the french muck. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Paul71 said: Well if hes going to do that do it now, once Brexit goes through will have to make do with a bottle of Derbyshire Fizz dont you know, because it will be too expensive to import the french muck. ? We can get some Australian, South African, Chilean Champagne or fizzy wine at far better prices and it tastes better. I’m sure the French spit in the stuff they send to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Van Gritters said: We can get some Australian, South African, Chilean Champagne or fizzy wine at far better prices and it tastes better. I’m sure the French spit in the stuff they send to us. Yeah, what would the French know about wine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Even Moody's are falling for project fear now: Leading ratings agency Moody's has signalled it is poised to downgrade the credit rating on Britain's government debt, warning that Brexit has triggered an "erosion in institutional strength" that threatens the UK's financial credibility. https://news.sky.com/story/moodys-downgrades-uks-credit-outlook-after-brexit-paralysis-11857899 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshaw_Ram Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Even Moody's are falling for project fear now: Leading ratings agency Moody's has signalled it is poised to downgrade the credit rating on Britain's government debt, warning that Brexit has triggered an "erosion in institutional strength" that threatens the UK's financial credibility. https://news.sky.com/story/moodys-downgrades-uks-credit-outlook-after-brexit-paralysis-11857899 Could someone remind me the benefits of Brexit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Yeah, what would the French know about wine? Just a fine example of protectionism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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