MaltRam Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, 1967Ram said: I hope we find out, but it's fine to have differing views. USA has one buffoon, now we have another! For my part, I'd say that the USA has a venal, lying, misogynist piece of sloppy turd in power. Economically though, in the short term, it's working for him. The moral standing of the USA has been holed well below the waterline by his presidency though, and the underbelly of the US of A has been well exposed to the world. The UK now has a well educated, intelligent, genial....but opportunistic and cynical career politician who absolutely tells his audience what they want to hear, then does whatever is to his best advantage. We'll see how he pans out, but I'd guess, sadly, that he'll fail badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 This thread gets more surreal by the minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just now, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: This thread gets more surreal by the minute It's mirroring the World today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 54 minutes ago, Uptherams said: It's unfortunate that he won't be able to get much done until he calls a general election, because people are trying to prevent him from doing anything. Unfortunate? That sounds a suspiciously anti-democratic view. "Unfortunately" he won't be able to get much done because he doesn't hold anything like a strong democratic mandate.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Unfortunate? That sounds a suspiciously anti-democratic view. "Unfortunately" he won't be able to get much done because he doesn't hold anything like a strong democratic mandate.... Who could right now? The only mandate in town, for better or worse, is to deliver Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: This thread gets more surreal by the minute Nah. No different to six moths ago, a year ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 50 minutes ago, 1967Ram said: It's mirroring the World today ? Indeed - whether you like him or not (and most on here don't like him) we have a leader of the opposition who despite a constant smear campaign in the media against him is now stood in parliament facing his 3rd Tory leader 3rd Lib dem leader 3rd Green party leader 7th UKIP leader But he's the weak one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, SchtivePesley said: But he's the weak one? Weak, strong...doesn't matter. He's the only one who's unelectable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I hope the name Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe haunts him for the entire time he’s PM. Not a day should go by without that name being brought up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, Needlesh said: Weak, strong...doesn't matter. He's the only one who's unelectable. You may well be proved right. In 'normal' times you would have expected the 'opposition' to be way ahead in the polls at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, ariotofmyown said: Bloomin people! There's no point to politics if you can't change anything ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, SchtivePesley said: Unfortunate? That sounds a suspiciously anti-democratic view. "Unfortunately" he won't be able to get much done because he doesn't hold anything like a strong democratic mandate.... Yeah alright ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 39 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Indeed - whether you like him or not (and most on here don't like him) we have a leader of the opposition who despite a constant smear campaign in the media against him is now stood in parliament facing his 3rd Tory leader 3rd Lib dem leader 3rd Green party leader 7th UKIP leader But he's the weak one? He's weak because despite all of that he can't win an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 If, and it is a big if, BJ can assemble a team, like he had as Mayor of London, he might make a good fist about it. Unfortunately this may be impossible. He has already made two big plays that have snapped right back at him, leave with no deal, and even threaten to suspend parliament to run the clock down. Court cases about that next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Needlesh said: Given the hand she was dealt, I think Theresa May did as well as anyone could expect. She could have done much better if she surrounded herself with people who wanted Brexit. Those were her choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just now, Uptherams said: She could have done much better if she surrounded herself with people who wanted Brexit. Those were her choices. Where she went wrong was by trying to 'do BREXIT' as a party political venture. She went wrong by not finding out what was accepatble to Parliament as a whole before she set her red lines. IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 42 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Indeed - whether you like him or not (and most on here don't like him) we have a leader of the opposition who despite a constant smear campaign in the media against him is now stood in parliament facing his 3rd Tory leader 3rd Lib dem leader 3rd Green party leader 7th UKIP leader But he's the weak one? Because the bloke will not stand by what he believes. He decides to do what keeps him in a job. I think we both know he would be out on his arse if he stood by what he believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, TuffLuff said: I hope the name Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe haunts him for the entire time he’s PM. Not a day should go by without that name being brought up True, if you want to undermine the leader of our country at the moment of our greatest crisis since, arguably, WWII. A solid, united parliament and country would put £ in your pocket, relative to what we're actually going to get. Any politician who's been in the game for a few years gets some dirt on his boots. It's a dirty business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Uptherams said: She could have done much better if she surrounded herself with people who wanted Brexit. Those were her choices. She would have destroyed her own party in the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Needlesh said: True, if you want to undermine the leader of our country at the moment of our greatest crisis since, arguably, WWII. A solid, united parliament and country would put £ in your pocket, relative to what we're actually going to get. Any politician who's been in the game for a few years gets some dirt on his boots. It's a dirty business. He hasn't been in the game for that long. And he hasn't just got his boots dirty. He's knee deep in bullsht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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