Ramos Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 13 hours ago, Ninos said: Loads did, saying he doesn't score etc etc etc. People complaining about hughes not scoring is just like when the skysports pundits claim dembele at tottenham should score more. Like hughes, its not his main job to score the goals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Ramos said: People complaining about hughes not scoring is just like when the skysports pundits claim dembele at tottenham should score more. Like hughes, its not his main job to score the goals! That Scott Carson is a good shot stopper, but he really should have scored last week when he went up front instead of letting them break away to score a third. Get rid I say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Ramos said: People complaining about hughes not scoring is just like when the skysports pundits claim dembele at tottenham should score more. Like hughes, its not his main job to score the goals! Out of interest, what did you/others consider Hughes' main role to be in the side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 14 hours ago, Alan Ramage 4 EVA said: Is it the same if your bored with the wife . You can sell her ?. Things are LOOKING UP ! Guessing the Mrs doesn't come on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 15 hours ago, sage said: What else links these players? Manager that signed them/gave them their debuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raminphilippines Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 14 hours ago, Alan Ramage 4 EVA said: Is it the same if your bored with the wife . You can sell her ?. Things are LOOKING UP ! Not if you do it the Rowett way. It would mean selling a young wife and replacing her with an old woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Don't forget the favourite scapegoats, Christie and Shotton snapped up by Monk at Boro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Nuwtfly said: Out of interest, what did you/others consider Hughes' main role to be in the side? Hughes' role was essentially to transition us into attack and then when were on the front foot to keep us there. His job was to always be available for a pass and then find somebody in a good position for them to deliver the final ball. He was the 'link' in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistaram Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 21 hours ago, sage said: It amuses me that players people like to moan about are often wanted by promoted or promotion chasing teams. Hendrick - Burnley Hughes - Watford Martin - Fulham last year, Wolves this year Russell - Brighton last year Bryson - Cardiff Grant - Stoke However all those managers are idiots and all those players are rubbish. Obviously. Sage Its nothing new every club does it We are no different when your not winning every week there always has to be scapegoats Its been Keogh then Christie Russell Weiman think the next will be Johnson There will definitely be a few disappointed Brys and Butters have gone they will have nothing to moan about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 All we had to do was keep those players and find better versions of Eustace, Sir Jake and Wardy. How we managed to totally screw that up, only Mel and Sam Rush know! Mind you, finding better players of the type mentioned above is not as easy as it sounds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oomarkwright Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 17 hours ago, sage said: What else links these players? I'd like to say Clough? In terms of bringing them in, or giving them a start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramos Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 5 hours ago, richinspain said: That Scott Carson is a good shot stopper, but he really should have scored last week when he went up front instead of letting them break away to score a third. Get rid I say He did get a good assist though ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ramos said: He did get a good assist though ? True. Pin-point accurate pass along the floor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramos Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 4 hours ago, Nuwtfly said: Out of interest, what did you/others consider Hughes' main role to be in the side? Certainly not a goalscoring midfielder. Playmaker was always his main remit for me. Clever passes, helping to create space, and chances. But once all elements of our passing side from 13/14 all but disappeared he struggled to make an impact in a team... which well struggled to make an impact on matches. Hughes thrives in a passing team, our slow brand of football in the last two years blunted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igorwasking Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Ramos is bang on - in a passing side - Hughes role was to knit the three departments of the side together (defence, midfield, attack). In a more direct side - he would have had no role - hence he's not here anymore. The interesting thing for me will be were lots of "nice" players more successful than a more direct (but less nice) set of players - kind of tactics v technique? Oh - and as for upgrading the wife - the same principles apply to getting rid of players we think are no good - that other teams want. A wise man once told me - *don't keep letching at that girl - it's just a hole someone else is bored of pounding* *I may or may not agree with this view point - but the story is true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 18 hours ago, David said: Almost replied earlier but thought I'd wait to see what everyone else thought. Don't see a pattern, sorry. Fans bash footballers, good and bad, some go on to better things, others not so. If there is a pattern it's that all the while often bigger clubs than ours (league standing not gate receipts!) are eyeing up or buying these players, there's always a large and quite vocal section of the fans who see very little in the players in question. Whether, as you point out, this is unusual I'm not sure but it strikes me that the only player who has not come in for any prolonged criticism in recent times is Thorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramchop Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 11 minutes ago, 86 points said: If there is a pattern it's that all the while often bigger clubs than ours (league standing not gate receipts!) are eyeing up or buying these players, there's always a large and quite vocal section of the fans who see very little in the players in question. Whether, as you point out, this is unusual I'm not sure but it strikes me that the only player who has not come in for any prolonged criticism in recent times is Thorne. Wait until he plays a few more matches for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Ramage 4 EVA Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 21 hours ago, 1967Ram said: Guessing the Mrs doesn't come on here! TOO RIGHT ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwick Ram Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 On 01/09/2017 at 17:28, sage said: It amuses me that players people like to moan about are often wanted by promoted or promotion chasing teams. Hendrick - Burnley Hughes - Watford Martin - Fulham last year, Wolves this year Russell - Brighton last year Bryson - Cardiff Grant - Stoke However all those managers are idiots and all those players are rubbish. Obviously. This amuses me as well. Keogh and Hendrick are selected by Ireland with two of the harshest critics in Roy Keane and Martin O'Neill. Roy Keane isn't a stranger of publically saying how s**t a player is and keeps picking these two. Hendrick also went to Burnley and is now playing Premier League football regularly. It doesn't stop here though. Adam Smith on loan was regarded as c**p by our fans yet he is again is playing regular Premier League football. Lee Grant was a rubbish keeper but last year he was Stoke's number 1 so he must be useless (sarcasm). There are players who come to Derby and are regarded as rubbish by our fans but do very well at other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 17 minutes ago, derby1884 said: This amuses me as well. Keogh and Hendrick are selected by Ireland with two of the harshest critics in Roy Keane and Martin O'Neill. Roy Keane isn't a stranger of publically saying how s**t a player is and keeps picking these two. Hendrick also went to Burnley and is now playing Premier League football regularly. It doesn't stop here though. Adam Smith on loan was regarded as c**p by our fans yet he is again is playing regular Premier League football. Lee Grant was a rubbish keeper but last year he was Stoke's number 1 so he must be useless (sarcasm). There are players who come to Derby and are regarded as rubbish by our fans but do very well at other clubs. That's because they play rubbish for us but are Good for other teams... See also Jason shackell and Bradley Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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