Bryson, Butters, Bradders

[RamNut]

If Sunderland don't come in for a couple of our players then they deserve to lose 3-0 to st johnstone

 

[Gritty]

13 hours ago, DcFc Dyycheee said:

A) First team - Johnson
B) Bench - Bryson
C) Sell - Butterfield

Ideally though, I'd like us to sign a new younger box-to-box mid to come in and partner Huddlestone and maybe move Bryson on as well.

Don't need to sign one. We have one. Elsnik

[PodgeyRam]

Keep Bryson,

bring Elsnik into the fold,

Sell Johnson and Buttefield.

 

[PastRAMi]

21 hours ago, David said:

A) Johnson

B) Bryson

C) Butterfield

Snap 

[sage]

19 hours ago, brady1993 said:

Assuming we are going to go with a 4231 as plan a) with huddlestone as one of the two then I wouldn't be happy with any of them pairing them really. Johnson is too poor on the ball and isn't mobile enough, Butterfield isnt mobile enough and isn't good defensively sound enough to sit next to huddlestone and Bryson has a tendency to pass sideways or backwards in a deeper position and isnt good enough defensively. 

Personally think Bryson would be the least bad option to start. I think Butterfield offers something unique for when we want try and control a game more in midfield or in that #10 slot. But Johnson I just think is criminally bad on the ball. Personally Id really want to bring in another midfielder who is energetic (like matty james) but I doubt we will now 

Tldr;

A)Bryson 

B) Butterfield

C) Johnson

This. Word for word. 

Also I wonder if there is a different Johnson that other posters watch.

Can't run, tackle or pass. Especially pass. He has purely been useful to bring additional height and heading ability to a small team. Now Martin, Wisdom, Forsyth and Huddlestone are back, he is obsolete.

[StringerBell]

17 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

Sorry, it wasn't meant to be confusing, I think I just worded it wrong. Most have got the jist fortunately though.

If McClaren was still in charge I'd opt for Johnson to be sold, but knowinf we aren't going to be playing the possession game, I have to go with Butters to be sold now.

Can't decide on who I'd rather have in the first-team though. Probably Bryson now that Chris Martin is back!

No worries.

Seems most are saying keep, bench, sell now rather than a,b,c.

I'll have a go at this on the basis we're playing 4-2-3-1. It is a tricky one. I think Butterfields the most skilful player and could have more to come than what he's showed. But he's a bit slow, played alongside Coady in a midfield two I think for Huddersfield? And he's a willing runner. Just like I'm not sold on Thorne and Huddlestone together I don't think I'd want Butterfield paired with either of them and would like a midfielder who can put himself about playing alongside. 

Johnson, too many loose passes but a fantastic shield for the defence in those games the championship throws up where the balls up in the air more than it's on the deck. Doesn't quite cover the ground Bryson does but he's mobile enough to partner one of the others. I can see him being effective alongside Huddlestone/Thorne.

I like Bryson but he has to be given license to get forward to see the best of him. A tidy player but doesn't have the 360 degree awareness that Huddlestone/Thorne has or Hughes had for us if we're playing 2 DCM's (which it looks like we are). So maybe Bryson as a change if things aren't going our way.

So I'd probably play Johnson, have Bryson for the bench and get shot of Butterfield, nothing to do with how I rate them as players but purely because of how I think they would compliment Huddlestone/Thorne in a 4-2-3-1.

Ideally I'd like another player who's a specialist in that position.

[Bris Vegas]

16 minutes ago, StringerBell said:

No worries.

Seems most are saying keep, bench, sell now rather than a,b,c.

I'll have a go at this on the basis we're playing 4-2-3-1. It is a tricky one. I think Butterfields the most skilful player and could have more to come than what he's showed. But he's a bit slow, played alongside Coady in a midfield two I think for Huddersfield? And he's a willing runner. Just like I'm not sold on Thorne and Huddlestone together I don't think I'd want Butterfield paired with either of them and would like a midfielder who can put himself about playing alongside. 

Johnson, too many loose passes but a fantastic shield for the defence in those games the championship throws up where the balls up in the air more than it's on the deck. Doesn't quite cover the ground Bryson does but he's mobile enough to partner one of the others. I can see him being effective alongside Huddlestone/Thorne.

I like Bryson but he has to be given license to get forward to see the best of him. A tidy player but doesn't have the 360 degree awareness that Huddlestone/Thorne has or Hughes had for us if we're playing 2 DCM's (which it looks like we are). So maybe Bryson as a change if things aren't going our way.

So I'd probably play Johnson, have Bryson for the bench and get shot of Butterfield, nothing to do with how I rate them as players but purely because of how I think they would compliment Huddlestone/Thorne in a 4-2-3-1.

Ideally I'd like another player who's a specialist in that position.

Seems you're not the only one who feels we can make an improvement on all three. If we brought in say a Matty James, I can only assume we'd try and boot out two of them.

 

[cosmic]

Sell Bryson. Let the other two figure out between them which one gets a first-team place. 

[StringerBell]

28 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

Seems you're not the only one who feels we can make an improvement on all three. If we brought in say a Matty James, I can only assume we'd try and boot out two of them.

 

Matty James would be perfect but I'm not sure we could land him, or if Rowetts even looking at another now we've got Huddlestone.

It might be a case of who'd have the most interest from other teams  as well. We'd probably take a loss on Butterfield but at his age and having an good goal scoring season in 15/16 we could make the most from selling him to make room and fund another player. But I'd happily sell two to get James.

In any case it might take a couple more transfer windows before Rowetts got what he wants (if Mel doesn't sack him first).

 

[Warren Hobhead]

4 minutes ago, StringerBell said:

Matty James would be perfect but I'm not sure we could land him, or if Rowetts even looking at another now we've got Huddlestone.

It might be a case of who'd have the most interest from other teams  as well. We'd probably take a loss on Butterfield but at his age and having an good goal scoring season in 15/16 we could make the most from selling him to make room and fund another player. But I'd happily sell two to get James.

In any case it might take a couple more transfer windows before Rowetts got what he wants (if Mel doesn't sack him first).

 

I think with inflated fees all the rage, we'd still get a fair chunk back if we sold Butterfield. I rate him massively, as have the managers at Derby it seems. I reckon there'd be a long queue of clubs in for him, so should be looking at £3m upwards. 

I hope he stays and plays, but can understand why he'd be the one to move out.

I'm looking at the teams on Tuesday with keener interest, maybe there'll be clues?

[DavesaRam]

11 hours ago, LeedsCityRam said:

Johnson does not have 'bags of goals in his repertoire'...other than one stellar season with Norwich 3 seasons ago, he's never scored more than 5 goals a season at this level. Bryson scored 16 goals in the league the season before (1 more than Johnson in 14/15 & in a weaker team) but you won't see many clamouring for his inclusion solely off the back of that.

I think Johnson has done a steady job in front of the back 4 but he was moved there only after proving he was incapable of contributing further up the field. Remember he was seriously out of favour before he was enlisted as a temporary solution to Thorne's long term absence. Now Thorne is back & Huddlestone has signed, I don't see how he gets a game & he's an expensive wage to boot.

As for Butterfield, its clear you don't rate him..that's fine, we all rate different qualities in players. I like midfielders to be technically proficient as a minimum & ideally be able to control tempo/pace of the play. Stats elsewhere prove that he doesn't play as many sideways passes as people think but under Rowett (a much more direct manager than McClaren), I expect him to be more proactive in his play. Again, my opinion but he has the tools to be able to be a real asset to us, particularly now Will has gone. Johnson I don't believe does.

I think you will find that much of the time he was played further forwards, BJ was stuck out on the left wing. The slight problem is that he is not a left-winger, so was wasted there. Did he get a chance in the middle of the midfield? We pulled the same stunt on Weimann, and as I have posted elsewhere, it seems to be the Derby way to play someone out of position, and then drop them because they aren't doing the business.

[Parsnip]

Play: Johnson

Bench: Butterfield 

Sell: Bryson

None of these players should be in the defensive 2 while GT & TH are fit. Johnson is obviously favoured by Rowett and might play wide left. Butterfield can be benched as backup for #10 Vydra or one of the DMs.

Unless Bryson comes out rejuvenated and all guns blazing this season then I'd imagine he won't figure much at all.

[europia]

An inform Bryson would probably be a GR type of player. 

Johnson can do a job, but wouldn't be missed if an offer came in. 

Butterfield surplus to requirements but DCFC would take a massive hit if sold. 

[brady1993]

16 hours ago, sage said:

This. Word for word. 

Also I wonder if there is a different Johnson that other posters watch.

Can't run, tackle or pass. Especially pass. He has purely been useful to bring additional height and heading ability to a small team. Now Martin, Wisdom, Forsyth and Huddlestone are back, he is obsolete.

I think with Johnson is that he makes a good highlights reel. It's all big tackles, bullet headers and thunderous shots. But people tend to forget the number of times he fumbles possession or chucks an aimless ball forward or gets pulled out of position. 

I think the best example was  away against forest last season. For most of that game he was rank awful, his passing accuracy was down at 55%, was at least partly at fault for forests opener, squandered 3 good counter attacks and was a big reason why we struggled to control the midfield. But his hustling leads to the first goal and he produces a decent ball to nugent for the second, and that becomes all that is really remembered.

[brady1993]

14 hours ago, DavesaRam said:

I think you will find that much of the time he was played further forwards, BJ was stuck out on the left wing. The slight problem is that he is not a left-winger, so was wasted there. Did he get a chance in the middle of the midfield? We pulled the same stunt on Weimann, and as I have posted elsewhere, it seems to be the Derby way to play someone out of position, and then drop them because they aren't doing the business.

Eh? Johnson has played almost all his games for Derby in the midfield, most of which in a slightly advanced role. He only played on the left for a few games when Wassell first took over

[JAT]

On 15/07/2017 at 20:32, Bris Vegas said:

Assuming Huddlestone comes in and becomes a regular, it will make competition for midfield places even tougher.

If you had to assign one of Butters, Bryson and Bradders to one of the following, who would it be and why?

A) first-teamer

B) Bench player

C) Sell

 

A) Bryson

B) Johnson

C) Butterfield

I think Bryson and Johnson will me more suited to GR's style of play.

[lee_derby]

On 7/15/2017 at 20:39, Cam the Ram said:

I'd have Bryson as the first-teamer, Johnson as the backup and Butterfield to be sold. I'm just not sure a midfield of Huddlestone and Butterfield would work well because they're both probably better suited to being the play maker and I'd have Thorne as the direct backup/competition with Huddlestone, so we could probably afford to lose Butterfield. And I'd choose Bryson over Johnson simply for the understanding he has with Martin. 

gr seems happy with johnson so he will be first team,butters as bench bryson sold.forget building a team around martin failed in the past, build a team that jells then all will know their place.bryson gives is all but i would rather get rid of thorne  (always injurey prone) loan hanson and gr said he would like another midfielder in besides hudds.

[Cam the Ram]

8 minutes ago, lee_derby said:

gr seems happy with johnson so he will be first team,butters as bench bryson sold.forget building a team around martin failed in the past, build a team that jells then all will know their place.bryson gives is all but i would rather get rid of thorne  (always injurey prone) loan hanson and gr said he would like another midfielder in besides hudds.

So many questions for this post. What has Rowett done so far to suggest Johnson will be first team ahead of the other 2? They've all played the exact same number of minutes. With the team built around Martin we've had our most successful seasons within that past 9 or 10 years, how has that failed? And you might be correct with the last point but I've not seen it myself, so where have you seen Rowett say he wants another midfielder in? 

[SaintRam]

Tbh on recent showing I have doubts over all of them.

I can't really even a,b,c them as they've all had poor games in pre-season so far.

I'll go A) Johnson, B) Butterfield, C) Bryson for now - but that could very easily change. I just feel Johnson has the most to offer if he finds his form.

[lee_derby]

9 minutes ago, Cam the Ram said:

So many questions for this post. What has Rowett done so far to suggest Johnson will be first team ahead of the other 2? They've all played the exact same number of minutes. With the team built around Martin we've had our most successful seasons within that past 9 or 10 years, how has that failed? And you might be correct with the last point but I've not seen it myself, so where have you seen Rowett say he wants another midfielder in? 

Speaking after the victory over Macclesfield Town on Saturday and just hours before the Huddlestone signing was announced, Rowett said: "We are aware we have got some gaps in the squad, we are aware we probably want to bring in may be another midfielder [Huddlestone] of a different type and bring in one, may be two different attacking options.

Read more at http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/manager-gary-rowett-still-wants-to-sign-different-attacking-options-at-derby-county/story-30442872-detail/story.html#hErBp9TThIurPddt.99

i may be reading this and taking this in wrong dt ?.

may be a couple of decent seasons around martin def not 10 he aint been here that long.we are still championship so they all failed in my book. we need more guts throughout and this is why i am liking this season.no player power