Nuwtfly Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 After the departure of our boy, William, there's been a lot of discussion lately about beautiful football. Playing the game the 'right' way. And whether or not we would rather have a team that play's a style that's easy on the eye, than one that grinds out results by any means necessary. With that in mind, I'm wondering: Who was the last team to get promoted out of the Championship playing beautiful football? Of recent promotions that spring to mind, you don't often see a team walk out of this league playing the Barcelona way. Brighton, Huddersfield, Newcastle, Burnley, Hull, Middlesbrough to name but a few, all strike me as teams that shun style for results. So it is such a bad thing that Rowett appears to be following in their footsteps? Would you rather play like Fulham, and stay in the Championship, or like West Brom and Burnley, sat in the Premier League. (FYI: I'm not saying either's right or wrong. Just eager to know where people sit on this at the moment.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Brighton play good football. but fulham and the wendies were the best teams at pride park and both failed in the play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Hobhead Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I just want us to play like a team, committed players, bits of flair married with graft, competitive but classy. But the key thing for me is the unity. We looked disjointed last year. 78 managers will do that... Get behind GR and the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Swansea? They looked awesome. Bournemouth were exciting to watch too. A season of Swansea or Bournemouth football would be lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I dont think we are in the luxury of making that choice. I think the consequences of not getting over the line (more to FFP than the owner it would seem) are going to give us a period of falling back. So I think the choice is to try to a) over achieve with lesser budget and players or b) maintain a certain playing identity, sacrificing okay off chasing for more stable direction. Basically same choice but I dont think its promotion deciding this season or next. FWIW I don't think Rowett wants to play bad football, just quick incisive in possession and well organized out of possession which is not the same as "we're basically rubbish so cling on,crock the barsewerds and we'll try to hoof it for martin and nuge when we get chance to" or "everything's rubbish especially you martin and you Hughes and we're stopping this pass it to each other nonsense now get running. All about running and loving me like Leicester did" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Huddersfield play good football but just have **** attackers. Bournemouth, Southampton, Swansea, Blackpool, Watford, West Brom (Mowbray) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 10 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said: After the departure of our boy, William, there's been a lot of discussion lately about beautiful football. Playing the game the 'right' way. And whether or not we would rather have a team that play's a style that's easy on the eye, than one that grinds out results by any means necessary. With that in mind, I'm wondering: Who was the last team to get promoted out of the Championship playing beautiful football? Of recent promotions that spring to mind, you don't often see a team walk out of this league playing the Barcelona way. Brighton, Huddersfield, Newcastle, Burnley, Hull, Middlesbrough to name but a few, all strike me as teams that shun style for results. So it is such a bad thing that Rowett appears to be following in their footsteps? Would you rather play like Fulham, and stay in the Championship, or like West Brom and Burnley, sat in the Premier League. (FYI: I'm not saying either's right or wrong. Just eager to know where people sit on this at the moment.) I don't think a team that could play like Barcelona would be in the Championship in the first place. Unrealistic to think that Championship teams could play like them. Asking whether we would rather play like Fulham and stay in the Championship or play like West Brom and Burnley in the Premier League seems to imply that direct football will automatically lead to more success than 'beautiful' football. A more relevant question may be, do Derby fans believe promotion is more likely to be achieved playing direct/conservative football like Burnley or playing more open/attacking football like Bournemouth? I'd rather try the Bournemouth route. If direct football were the only way to succeed in the sport.....I probably wouldn't be a football fan at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Bournemouth Southampton Watford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 For me it's all about balance in this league, that's why it's so difficult. You're most effective style in the lower leagues is the hoofball, grind out results type of teams, simply because the teams there have less quality and more physicality. On the other hand in the prem, once established, you'll want a team of primarily technical players, one because you have the money to afford good ones, and secondly because you're generally facing more intelligent players. In the championship tho, especially recently, it's not so easy. You can no longer go up like we did last time, there are a lot more technical players, owing to increased money in the game, so you need some more intelligent footballers and a more on the deck style now. That being said it's still a hard slog, and there's still some very defensive teams out there so you still need to be able to grind out unpretty results sometimes, so you've gotta still have that 'effective' base. A good sprinkling of technical players is required, but if you have too many you can end up with a team that's awesome sometimes, but can equally just fall apart like under mac towards the end first time. Sadly we need to sometimes to an extent foresake good football for effective football to make sure we can be efficient across a whole season, which I think is something we've failed to do recently. This DOES NOT however mean we go all Pearson and just get in runners, it's all about a balance in getting out of this league, which ultimately should be our primary aim above pretty football for the time being, we can't keep racking up debt in the championship. A club our size cannot afford to be down here for this long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted June 24, 2017 Author Share Posted June 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Bournemouth Southampton Watford That was the one that sprang to mind for me. Never thought Bournemouth played that nice a game whenever I saw them play. Still surprised they sacked Jokanovic straight after...but I guess it's worked out for them in the long run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted June 24, 2017 Author Share Posted June 24, 2017 11 minutes ago, Highgate said: I don't think a team that could play like Barcelona would be in the Championship in the first place. Unrealistic to think that Championship teams could play like them. Asking whether we would rather play like Fulham and stay in the Championship or play like West Brom and Burnley in the Premier League seems to imply that direct football will automatically lead to more success than 'beautiful' football. A more relevant question may be, do Derby fans believe promotion is more likely to be achieved playing direct/conservative football like Burnley or playing more open/attacking football like Bournemouth? I'd rather try the Bournemouth route. If direct football were the only way to succeed in the sport.....I probably wouldn't be a football fan at all. Tried not to imply anything, hence the last sentence of my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 The average supporter just wants to watch a winning side.A side who scores goals and not too many boring goaless draws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Give me the 13/14 season of nearly promotion over Billy Davies 1-0 bore scores any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Parsnip said: Swansea? They looked awesome. Bournemouth were exciting to watch too. A season of Swansea or Bournemouth football would be lovely. Couple more years back we've had Reading, Newcastle, Watford, Blackpool etc. Might be 50/50 this promotion with proper vs percentage football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I'd rather we stayed in the championship playing entertaining exciting football than trudge our way into the premiership only to be hammered every week and be relegated straight back down...at least if we are promoted playing great football,we have a fighting chance of actually staying up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 If this season is a Karanka's Boro style promotion I wouldn't renew for the Prem season. Turgid stuff. Not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 The teams who have been promoted playing good football over the years have faired better in the PL than those who've adopted the percentage approach. Aside from Stoke who else has established in the PL playing percentage football? West Ham under Allardyce? West Brom were originally expansive under Di Matteo before turning to Steve Clarke. Sunderland were a constant struggle. The number of sides who have gone up playing percentage football only to be relegated within two seasons far outweighs the others who have adopted a more attacking approach. In the last 8 years or so Southampton, Swansea, Bournemouth, Watford and Newcastle have all succeeded in staying up for more than 2 seasons following a promotion playing good football. Can the same be said of Reading (under McDermott), Cardiff, Hull, Norwich, Boro, Burnley, QPR, Wolves and Birmingham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Didn't think Norwich were bores tbh. Just not competent enough to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 40 minutes ago, HantsRam said: Didn't think Norwich were bores tbh. Just not competent enough to survive. I was thinking more the first time around. They crumbled after Lambert left them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Just now, Bris Vegas said: I was thinking more the first time around. They crumbled after Lambert left them. Ah right. Yes, lambert is pretty dull and functional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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