CLOUGH1971-72 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 It's something I always argue with forest fans about because they seem to think that mr Clough was more forest because he was with them 18 years and won 2 European cups with them in the 70s. They also say they had the first statue put up and we copied them. And they named there biggest stand after him, where we haven't got anything like that. He got the freedom of Nottingham in 1992 and the freedom of derby in 2003. They say forest fans truely love him and we don't! Now I think he was more derby. Look at the facts. He moved to derby in 1967 and never left. All the Clough family still live in derby to this day. Are they derby fans or forest? Brian wrote in his book that winning the title at derby was his best archivement. And derby would be the Liverpool of the 70s and 80s had he stayed. He also says the baseball ground had the greatest atmosphere out of any football ground in England. Also he had his mermorial service at pride park and not the city ground. when was he at his peak derby or forest? What do you all think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_chop Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Conjure him up on a Ouija board and ask him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Loved both but slightly differently. I remember when Nigel first came to Derby there was an ITV program on where his wife said that first league title was always special to him. He stayed longer a forest, but also declined into alcohol and fell out with Peter Taylor. I think it was in his walking on water book he said leaving Derby was his biggest mistake in football. Bonds the clubs together. I think the Brian Clough Trophy is a good way to show that. The "he loved us more" thing is a bit pointless IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 3 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Loved both but slightly differently. I remember when Nigel first came to Derby there was an ITV program on where his wife said that first league title was always special to him. He stayed longer a forest, but also declined into alcohol and fell out with Peter Taylor. I think it was in his walking on water book he said leaving Derby was his biggest mistake in football. Bonds the clubs together. I think the Brian Clough Trophy is a good way to show that. The "he loved us more" thing is a bit pointless IMO. Pointless and childish in my opinion. But he really did love us more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Think there was a thread about this last year... PS this is like comparing your first love to your wife! It may not last long but the first time you fall for someone is special..especially if they cruelly dump you. Added rose tinted glasses and they also get more attractive and understanding..and you muse about how it was all your fault for being arrogant and taking them for granted.... Personally I think he probably bitterly regretTed what happened...but he's ultimately Forest ...and Nige most definitely is!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Sure I watched a doc or news piece where Mrs Clough said the league title win with Derby was his proudest achievement and she had a replica medal as a necklace? Could of dreamt that, but I will be worried if I did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Same question, but for Steve Mac?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 hours ago, ossieram said: Pointless and childish in my opinion. But he really did love us more The fact that you said this is pointless and childish is pointless and childish. Also "But he really did love us more" is pointless and childish. But I agree, he really did love us more. Taxi in 5 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I also think that part of what made him great...is that he loved neither team even half as much as he loved himself!! The Original Special One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 A lot of people think that BC and PT fell out over the move of John Roberson to Derby ,but actually it was because when Derby tried to get BC back from Forest Cloughy wanted to come back and Taylor didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 8 hours ago, BathRam72 said: The fact that you said this is pointless and childish is pointless and childish. Also "But he really did love us more" is pointless and childish. But I agree, he really did love us more. Taxi in 5 minutes Grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 8 hours ago, King Kevin said: A lot of people think that BC and PT fell out over the move of John Roberson to Derby ,but actually it was because when Derby tried to get BC back from Forest Cloughy wanted to come back and Taylor didn't. Never heard this story! Bit late by 1983 anyway, he'd had all the glory days that should have been ours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 10 hours ago, Chester40 said: Think there was a thread about this last year... PS this is like comparing your first love to your wife! It may not last long but the first time you fall for someone is special..especially if they cruelly dump you. Added rose tinted glasses and they also get more attractive and understanding..and you muse about how it was all your fault for being arrogant and taking them for granted.... Personally I think he probably bitterly regretTed what happened...but he's ultimately Forest ...and Nige most definitely is!! So we are essentially the hot mistress of the story? Wut!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 10 hours ago, Chester40 said: Think there was a thread about this last year... PS this is like comparing your first love to your wife! It may not last long but the first time you fall for someone is special..especially if they cruelly dump you. Added rose tinted glasses and they also get more attractive and understanding..and you muse about how it was all your fault for being arrogant and taking them for granted.... Personally I think he probably bitterly regretTed what happened...but he's ultimately Forest ...and Nige most definitely is!! Nige most definitely Forest? I remember a quote about him never forgiving them for how his dad was treated as the end and he turned the Forest job down (heard from an ex player) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 8 hours ago, King Kevin said: A lot of people think that BC and PT fell out over the move of John Roberson to Derby ,but actually it was because when Derby tried to get BC back from Forest Cloughy wanted to come back and Taylor didn't. I thought derby wanted to get BC back in the 70's. why would they fall out over that and then work together afterwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Derby fans wanted him back so did the local press.... pretty sure it was derby the club (ie Longson ) which definately didnt want him back ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Certainly a damm good manager for both but he certinatly didn't want to live in shottingham did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I heard something saying Derby was his club, even so I also heard his big regret was not managing man utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Had a chat with him once about it. Was obviously very proud of his achievements with forest but did express regret it wasn't with Derby but what happened happened so couldn't do owt about it. Derby had very special place in his heart. He knew I was a Derby fan though so maybe told me what I wanted to hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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