Derbyram1983 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 9 hours ago, Cam the Ram said: What is your definition of end product? Good cross as he plays on the wing therefore it would be nice to put a decent ball in or two. Good on the ball and vision. He gives the ball away too much either by running into defenders or just misplacing passes in tight situations. Surely this is where we lack when it matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 If your gonna sell everyone that isn't consistent and had a bad season last year we won't have a team to put on the pitch. Just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpleram Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Not just inconsistent, not good enough is my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 It will be extremely difficult to replace Russell, no question about it. He's in the top 10 for assists and top 25 for goals in the division. When people talk about end product, what are you expecting? We would be up against it to find a suitable replacement that would better him last season. I do think he could be replaced and definitely has a price on his head. I would however much rather keep Russell than Hendrick, especially given the balance our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Russell has been excellent for us, the price we paid was relatively small and he has always earned his money either being successful at what achieves - goals assists and winning free kicks etc plus generally unsettling opponents if some of the other players showed as much throughout the season we would be a heck of a team. If we sold him to another championship team we would effectively be hurting ourselves, I think we will need him this year as the better squads will prove to be vital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 I'd say plenty of players have given what he's given. Goal assists... well he's in the final third for most the game. He takes a good number of set pieces. If he's not assisting and scoring sometimes then he's useless Unsettling opponents? Depends if you mean his defensive work. Because yes defensively I'd have to agree he's very good. And on the counter attack he's also good at giving opponents something to be wary of. Like I've said, I wouldn't sell him. But running around a lot isn't caring more than other players. Some players have to run around to make up where they're lacking. My dog would run around a lot and he doesn't care about Derby. The reverse argument for for me would be if Russell showed as much quality as other players throughout the season then we'd be one heck of a team. Players know what they can offer. And like any of us in any line of work you expect others to do their bit. If everyone does their bit then you can do what you're good at. That's how a team should work. You don't need 11 blokes running themselves into the ground and kissing the badge. You match people up to compliment each other. I hate that so many people measure effort and passion with running. Not every role requires Mo Farah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 4 hours ago, Alpha said: I'd say plenty of players have given what he's given. Goal assists... well he's in the final third for most the game. He takes a good number of set pieces. If he's not assisting and scoring sometimes then he's useless Unsettling opponents? Depends if you mean his defensive work. Because yes defensively I'd have to agree he's very good. And on the counter attack he's also good at giving opponents something to be wary of. Like I've said, I wouldn't sell him. But running around a lot isn't caring more than other players. Some players have to run around to make up where they're lacking. My dog would run around a lot and he doesn't care about Derby. The reverse argument for for me would be if Russell showed as much quality as other players throughout the season then we'd be one heck of a team. Players know what they can offer. And like any of us in any line of work you expect others to do their bit. If everyone does their bit then you can do what you're good at. That's how a team should work. You don't need 11 blokes running themselves into the ground and kissing the badge. You match people up to compliment each other. I hate that so many people measure effort and passion with running. Not every role requires Mo Farah Absolutely this. People see things on a piece of paper and think..... Hey he's a top player. I wonder how many opposition fans say "I'd love to have him in my team" etc (in general on any player) There's stats to suit every argument. The pair of eyes we have is the greatest asset...... Some think he's brilliant..... Others like me not so who find him inconsistent and average. Like you I don't buy running more than anyone else thing either, similar to the Bryson thing for me. Not saying their bad players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Where's this forum going? Newbies..luckily there's no limit for ignores... But even @Alpha is making sensible posts. Rant man, rant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyram1983 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 It's not about being happy with what you have it's about improvement. This squad/team will not get us promoted. It hasn't been good enough for the last few seasons. Pearson needs time to see his players in games and to change the squad as he wants. If your happy with our team then that means staying in the championship. We essentially need Better players that's why we keep failing. But if you think russell is brilliant and the answer then keep believing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoneedshuls Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Ok if you sold Russell today then who realistically would you replace him with tomorrow atleast Russell turns up most games unlike ince on the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranstonRam Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Every man has his price, we don't have to sell but if we received 6 mill plus, I would let him depart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 If you think of the top 10 goals we have scored since he arrived I would guess 4 will be from Johnny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyram1983 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 I'm not sure. I don't claim to know. But I just think we need better. By trimming the squad and selling players surely we can do this. We still have ince, Weiman and Camara on the wings as a start and see who's out there loans maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbados Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, Whoneedshuls said: Ok if you sold Russell today then who realistically would you replace him with tomorrow atleast Russell turns up most games unlike ince on the other side. Callum Mcmanaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 11 minutes ago, rynny said: If you think of the top 10 goals we have scored since he arrived I would guess 4 will be from Johnny. Which is his greatest goal for Derby then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, curtains said: Which is his greatest goal for Derby then. Probably from this game The one from this game is special As is this First goal wasn't a bad hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, rynny said: Probably from this game The one from this game is special As is this First goal wasn't a bad hit All those teams are still in the Championship . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, curtains said: All those teams are still in the Championship . And your point? You asked me what I thought was his greatest goal for Derby, not the most important or against the best opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, rynny said: And your point? You asked me what I thought was his greatest goal for Derby, not the most important or against the best opposition. Where are his goals against the promoted teams since he's been at Derby. Does he turn up in the big games. Those goals are all at Home. Any good away goals. Does he create goals for others ! As that is also very important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, curtains said: All those teams are still in the Championship . Did you want this goal or this or this one? All against teams that went, or going, on to play in the prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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