TigerTedd Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 57 minutes ago, ramsbottom said: And there you have it, you can't trust any politician because at the end the day they'll serve themselves... Saw a great piece on YouTube recently. A three patter about gun control from John Oliver, on the daily show. He was interviewing an Australian ex-mp, who voted for gun control, when his constituents were dead against it, committing political suicide for the greater good. He asked an American politician what a politicians first priority is: getting reelected. He asked this Australian what a politicians first priority is: doing the right thing, making the best decisions for and on behalf of his constituents, no matter what the personal consequences. I think our politicians probably sit with the American on this one, for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 7 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: Saw a great piece on YouTube recently. A three patter about gun control from John Oliver, on the daily show. He was interviewing an Australian ex-mp, who voted for gun control, when his constituents were dead against it, committing political suicide for the greater good. He asked an American politician what a politicians first priority is: getting reelected. He asked this Australian what a politicians first priority is: doing the right thing, making the best decisions for and on behalf of his constituents, no matter what the personal consequences. I think our politicians probably sit with the American on this one, for the most part. And that's why I've always fancied living in Oz. That fact that gun control hasn't been kerbed despite the 100,000's dead as a result of them shows American politicians are a bunch of self-serving nutcases... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 One of the most depressing tweets I've seen in a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 4 minutes ago, SaintRam said: One of the most depressing tweets I've seen in a long time I want to cry. And we've just been cheering ourselves up with imagining how the French and Germans are going to get on without the British. Now this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 There is a poll on the DET site that currently has the Top 3 choices as BoJo, Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn All is not lost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 hour ago, AndyinLiverpool said: I want to cry. And we've just been cheering ourselves up with imagining how the French and Germans are going to get on without the British. Now this... At least we get the opportunity, in a few years, to vote them out. Come on guys, glass half full (you can tell this is a football forum). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 8 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: At least we get the opportunity, in a few years, to vote them out. Come on guys, glass half full (you can tell this is a football forum). Nice try but it's too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 3 hours ago, RamLad1884 said: Can't see it happening, too many mp's wouldn't want to risk losing their paychecks just because we want it. It'll be further convoluted soon as no doubt some mps will step down, thus triggering various by-elections around the country. as it stands there's 320 non-Tory MP's (and so 330 Tories), so you'd require a handful over 100 Tories to risk giving up their seat The Labour and Lib Dem parties are very weak at the moment. The new Conservative leader will be in a very good position as the leader of the most Eurosceptic main party in a political environment where the majority of the UK population is clearly Eurosceptic. Yet, the Conservatives still only have a small majority which could easily be whittled away by deaths and defections. Then there is the very real prospect that the economy could tank. It will be in the interests of the new Conservative leader to go to the country at the earliest opportunity. He will almost certainly then be guaranteed an extra five years, as will most Conservative MPs. The Fixed Term Parliament Act was just put in place to prevent the Lib Dems from being able to pull out and cause the government to collapse. It won't prevent a government with a majority from triggering an election as they would just whip their MPs to vote on a 'dissolve' bill, safe in the knowledge that the majority of opposition MPs would also back it. If that failed they could actually vote themselves out in a confidence motion and ultimately, they have enough votes to force through a change in the law. And even without that, the Queen can dissolve Parliament (and thus trigger an snap election) if she can't find anyone to form a government when a sitting PM resigns - and that could easily be contrived by the leader of the largest party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 oh happy day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 As the polls closed I fully expected to wake up to this smiling face: He deserves our contempt for the campaign he fought and I'm glad he's gone (plus I had 5/1 that he'd be out this year ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 This should be a golden chance for Labour, but like the Tories in the late 90s-early 2000s they are an unelectable mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewetube Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I saw a Peter Hitchens interview yesterday in which he asked the question "how can our two main political parties be so out of touch with over 50% of the electorate on a 72% turnout?" He also went on to liken the two of them to two corpses only holding themselves up with each others' rigor mortis. On the Labour leave voters he said they actually had more in common with Corbyn's views that those of the Bairite parliamentary Labour party who are seeking to depose him. As for the Conservative Party would the PCP actually choose Johnson as a candidate to be submitted to their membership to potentially elect as their leader or would we end up with their least disliked candidate being our next PM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Ewetube said: I saw a Peter Hitchens interview yesterday in which he asked the question "how can our two main political parties be so out of touch with over 50% of the electorate on a 72% turnout?" He also went on to liken the two of them to two corpses only holding themselves up with each others' rigor mortis. On the Labour leave voters he said they actually had more in common with Corbyn's views that those of the Bairite parliamentary Labour party who are seeking to depose him. As for the Conservative Party would the PCP actually choose Johnson as a candidate to be submitted to their membership to potentially elect as their leader or would we end up with their least disliked candidate being our next PM? Let's have a General Election. At least then the fuckwits that didn't think their votes counted in the referendum would be more on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcfan1 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I like DC, Im upset by this Handled all this with dignity, fair play to him. Best of luck. He has done Ok actually in the 6 years he has been here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 On 25 June 2016 at 13:27, dcfcfan1 said: I like DC, Im upset by this Handled all this with dignity, fair play to him. Best of luck. He has done Ok actually in the 6 years he has been here The only reason the country is in a mess is because Cameron gave into pressure from the Tory right to hold a referendum on the EU. Now he‘s thrown in the towel and left it for someone else to sort out the mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 On 25/06/2016 at 13:27, dcfcfan1 said: I like DC, Im upset by this Handled all this with dignity, fair play to him. Best of luck. He has done Ok actually in the 6 years he has been here Really? Here is a pretty good piece where the author argues quite convincingly that he is the most spectacular failure of a Prime Minister this country has ever seen https://medium.com/@JMKPolicy/cameron-and-brexit-an-unparalleled-failure-of-a-prime-minister-and-an-unprecedented-blunder-of-ebc98499c2d2#.bx0y04nwj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralRam Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 I liked Cameron, but his failure to have any ******** when needed has been his downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Couldn't find a better thread and didn't see much point in creating a new one for the PM elections but this made me laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Leadsom apparently about to withdraw. Teresa May could be PM this afternoon, although there is some debate as to how that its with Tory Party rules. It seems they are supposed to have a membership ballot and have no rules that allow an uncontested succession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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