Aww poor Nigel

[Philmycock]

3 hours ago, cosmic said:

Guaranteed himself a few more boos at the iPro, that's for sure. 

I wouldn't have thought he'd get any boos, he'll actually get a very good reception

[ronnieronalde]

17 hours ago, David said:

Another Nathan Tyson, couldn't hack it at a bigger club.

 

 

 

Ronnie, leave me alone, Nigel started it!

Nothing to worry about David, it's a non story really.

He's not had a go at Derby as some are saying, he's not said he regretted joining Derby, he's said he regretted leaving Burton at the time he left them. Understandable, they never got the credit they deserved for the work they did there.

The still got kicked out comment isn't having a dig either, it's him telling the truth as he sees it.

People getting their knickers in a twist over nothing.

[rynny]

1 hour ago, NottsRammy said:

Again we miss the point don't we !!

He worked his socks off with no money and bargain basement buys or virtually  !!

I think what rattles Nigel he got the club out of trouble got them on an even footing but was never given real money to make a drastic change they didn't have 100% faith in him after all the hard work.Yes he had over 4 years but its damn hard to get anywhere with no money but it is possible I agree.

Did he have the money that Schteve immediately got, or did he get the money clement got, did he get the money pearson will get , WOULD HAVE BEEN INTERESTING IF HE HAD !!

And I will say this DO NOT be surprised to see Burton wallop us on the day , Nigel has a good record in cup matches and trust me I think beating burton will be a lot harder than beating forest this season , no matter where Burton end up in the league.And this match will be just like a cup match

If Nigel avoids the sack this season and keeps them in the championship it will be a major major achievement , but I suppose most on here will cheer his every loss, theres somes sad folks around here there really is. And I would like to see Sir Alex keep Burton in the championship this year or any manager for that matter.

Steve didn't get money instantly. He made 2 loans in Wisdom and Dawkins and signed Cisse on a free. In January he signed Bamford and Thorne on loan and Lee Naylor on a free and Dawkins permanent for around 150-200k. Even in the summer he didn't spend a lot. Made Thorne permanent £2m, Christie nominal fee, Shotton approx 500k Ibe on loan, Best on loan. Not exactly a great increase but he had the extra to spend due to getting to Wembley and the additional money he helped bring into the club. And that is something Clough never did, bring in a significant amount of money in to the club. Only 2 players were sold on for a decent ish fee, and even then not many were happy with the sale or the amount of Shackell and Brayford. We never went on a cup run, finished 10th in his last season. There was no additional money coming in from the performance of the team.

[ronnieronalde]

3 minutes ago, rynny said:

Steve didn't get money instantly. He made 2 loans in Wisdom and Dawkins and signed Cisse on a free. In January he signed Bamford and Thorne on loan and Lee Naylor on a free and Dawkins permanent for around 150-200k. Even in the summer he didn't spend a lot. Made Thorne permanent £2m, Christie nominal fee, Shotton approx 500k Ibe on loan, Best on loan. Not exactly a great increase but he had the extra to spend due to getting to Wembley and the additional money he helped bring into the club. And that is something Clough never did, bring in a significant amount of money in to the club. Only 2 players were sold on for a decent ish fee, and even then not many were happy with the sale or the amount of Shackell and Brayford. We never went on a cup run, finished 10th in his last season. There was no additional money coming in from the performance of the team.

Dawkins cost 275k

Thorne cost 3m

Christie cost at least 900k

Shotton I'm led to believe was closer to 1.5m than 500k.

Steve spent more in three windows than Clough did in his entire time at the club.

[Derbados7]

2 minutes ago, ronnieronalde said:

Dawkins cost 275k

Thorne cost 3m

Christie cost at least 900k

Shotton I'm led to believe was closer to 1.5m than 500k.

Steve spent more in three windows than Clough did in his entire time at the club.

Absolute cods wallop. Living in a bubble if you think Shotton was anywhere near 1.5 million. 

[ronnieronalde]

10 minutes ago, Derbados7 said:

Absolute cods wallop. Living in a bubble if you think Shotton was anywhere near 1.5 million. 

I'm 99.99% certain he cost over a million. 90% certain it was close to 1.5 but I may be wrong on that.

I got told the exact figure from someone who would know and for some reason 1.5m sticks in my mind.

I'll try to check it again and let you know if I'm wrong.

[Gaspode]

I could have understood the regrets at leaving, but the 'kicked out anyway' comment showed a total lack of class - I've never been closer to giving up following the Rams than during the last couple of seasons he was in charge - yes he did what he was asked to cut the deadwood and the wage bill - well done Nige - he also played mind-numbingly dull football, was embarrassing in his dealings with the press and at times showed a complete lack of man-management skills. His dad could get away with outrageous comments because he was a genius - Nige isn't and can't - about time he learned that...by the way, notice he didn't mention the fact that he so very nearly screwed up the nailed on promotion that Hasselbaink left them with....

[Leicester Ram]

25 minutes ago, ronnieronalde said:

Dawkins cost 275k

Thorne cost 3m

Christie cost at least 900k

Shotton I'm led to believe was closer to 1.5m than 500k.

Steve spent more in three windows than Clough did in his entire time at the club.

What are you on, mate 

[uttoxram75]

Nowt to see here imo. I don't see anyway you can spin this to be slagging DCFC off.

Shoddy journalism and people being a bit precious is all that's happened.

[ronnieronalde]

11 minutes ago, Leicester Ram said:

What are you on, mate 

Which one(s) do you think I've got wrong?

[Zag zig]

16 hours ago, HantsRam said:

He categorically stated that when Sam rush sacked nigel plus team, he also barred them from all derby county property as part of the settlement. 

Must have lifted that then, since Martin Taylor came back for S.B's testimonial.

49 minutes ago, ronnieronalde said:

Nothing to worry about David, it's a non story really.

He's not had a go at Derby as some are saying, he's not said he regretted joining Derby, he's said he regretted leaving Burton at the time he left them. Understandable, they never got the credit they deserved for the work they did there.

The still got kicked out comment isn't having a dig either, it's him telling the truth as he sees it.

People getting their knickers in a twist over nothing.

Give you all that but just wonder why bother making the comment. Clough is not stupid, he surely knew it would be latched onto when he said it, he could have just said he's glad to be back and should never have left. End of.

[Wolfie]

16 hours ago, HantsRam said:

Don't know the truth of it but shared a train back from Charlton with a guy from west london who said he'd done a bit of scouting in the past.

He categorically stated that when Sam rush sacked nigel plus team, he also barred them from all derby county property as part of the settlement. 

If true then seems very ungracious of the club and is also going to colour nigels views of dcfc. 

What's wrong with barring him from property? Why would we let a rival manager (as he would end up) have access to our facilities? A bit naive to think it's mean of the club. 

I've been escorted off the premises when I've left an employer - even on good terms. It's normal. 

[Day]

Don't see how anyone can argue over transfer fees when they are all undisclosed now, Ronnie maybe spot on or miles off. The clubs, agents and players know. Us fans are not privy to that kind of information anymore.

For what it's worth, Transfermarkt have Christie 83k, Dawkins 431k, Thorne 1.73m and have nothing listed for Shotton

[rynny]

6 minutes ago, ronnieronalde said:

Dawkins cost 275k

Thorne cost 3m

Christie cost at least 900k

Shotton I'm led to believe was closer to 1.5m than 500k.

Steve spent more in three windows than Clough did in his entire time at the club.

Well it is conjecture and speculation about fees as they are undisclosed.

I'm led to believe Shotton cost 500k, and all the fees you have quoted I am led to believe they are wrong, and we did not pay those amounts for those players.

Steve didn't actually spend more than Clough. I will just use our 6 highest fees paid by Clough and it will be more than what Steve spent.

Barker £1m

Brayford and Bailey 900k

Shackell 900k

Keogh 1m

Sammon 1.2m

Russell 750-900k

That is almost £6m and doesn't include other players we paid money for, Ward, Fielding, Robinson, Coutts, Jacobs, Moxey, Bryson, Maguire, Forsyth, Porter. Do I need to go on? It annoys me when people say Clough didn't get any money to spend. Yes he shopped around for bargains but the line he came out with is there is money available for the right player. Teams have achieved more with less spent than him, we gave Blackpool a million for Barker and with that money built a team that got promoted. How many players did he buy then deem weren't good enough almost immediately?

I'm all for giving Nigel credit where he is due. He stopped the rot, and was the reason we didn't get relegated when he first joined, and he did an ok job of steadying the ship. But when push came to shove he just wasn't good enough, he wasn't brave enough to go for wins in every game. He abandoned the best football we had played under him and looked like we could challenge at the top and went into survival mode after a few defeats around christmas and we almost ended get relegated.

[Curtains]

Hard to argue that what Nigel said is not correct. 

He did work hard for us. 

Just all in the game and building up to when we play them that's all.  

He's at Burton now .

End of. 

[ronnieronalde]

6 minutes ago, rynny said:

Well it is conjecture and speculation about fees as they are undisclosed.

I'm led to believe Shotton cost 500k, and all the fees you have quoted I am led to believe they are wrong, and we did not pay those amounts for those players.

Steve didn't actually spend more than Clough. I will just use our 6 highest fees paid by Clough and it will be more than what Steve spent.

Barker £1m

Brayford and Bailey 900k

Shackell 900k

Keogh 1m

Sammon 1.2m

Russell 750-900k

That is almost £6m and doesn't include other players we paid money for, Ward, Fielding, Robinson, Coutts, Jacobs, Moxey, Bryson, Maguire, Forsyth, Porter. Do I need to go on? It annoys me when people say Clough didn't get any money to spend. Yes he shopped around for bargains but the line he came out with is there is money available for the right player. Teams have achieved more with less spent than him, we gave Blackpool a million for Barker and with that money built a team that got promoted. How many players did he buy then deem weren't good enough almost immediately?

I'm all for giving Nigel credit where he is due. He stopped the rot, and was the reason we didn't get relegated when he first joined, and he did an ok job of steadying the ship. But when push came to shove he just wasn't good enough, he wasn't brave enough to go for wins in every game. He abandoned the best football we had played under him and looked like we could challenge at the top and went into survival mode after a few defeats around christmas and we almost ended get relegated.

It's all been done to death Rynny, this thread was about NC apparently having a classless dig at the club, I don't want to turn it into another lets hammer/praise Nigel for everything he did thread.

NET spend over NC's tenure was just over 6.5m, it's been done to death in the accounts. Fine to list the top 6 fees but don't ignore the fees he received for Shackell, Brayford and S Davies. Possibly even Tito Villa goes into the figures?

Barker cost 900k not 1m, but that's me splitting hairs really.

Steve NET spend 6.5m, or as near as damn it in his time at the club.

My figures on Thorne and Christie came direct from people who WOULD 100% know. The figure for Dawkins I thought was public knowledge.

[trevor1946]

Kicked out.another word for sacked,why say it is not.---------Would like-Clough--McClaren-Clements--to explain their views,

on their time at the club, Robbie Savage said ,someone will get a lot of credit for the job that Nigel has done;

The academy--south stand for home supporters,safe standing,and of coarse working with the fans,in the community,

and forums held in the community with Tom Glick,..

Sam Rush with the board sacked Clough,after only 6 months with the club.and took us into a new phase,and restructured the club,to his model,    Many fans wanted more investment,in the team,and thought,Clough s team would challenge.

The bottom line is it did.Playoffs McClaren coached the squad,and went on a great run with them,But the recruitment

was poor,Bottom line ,after 3 seasons,the new restructuring of the club,failed and we were still in the championship.

In spite of a buy out costing millions,a E-S-T 30 million spent on players,and losses bigger than the previous years.

We now play Burton Albion in a league match,---What part of a wasted 4 years do you not get the, squad he left

And the millions spent,since-----Wasted-----At last back to basics a proper manager,and to think the journey travelled

In the last 3 years wasted But the pilot and guiding light,Sam Rush,gets a rise and longer contract,proper cockney.

Good chap just keep him away from the football side of the club

[rynny]

7 minutes ago, ronnieronalde said:

It's all been done to death Rynny, this thread was about NC apparently having a classless dig at the club, I don't want to turn it into another lets hammer/praise Nigel for everything he did thread.

NET spend over NC's tenure was just over 6.5m, it's been done to death in the accounts. Fine to list the top 6 fees but don't ignore the fees he received for Shackell, Brayford and S Davies. Possibly even Tito Villa goes into the figures?

Barker cost 900k not 1m, but that's me splitting hairs really.

Steve NET spend 6.5m, or as near as damn it in his time at the club.

My figures on Thorne and Christie came direct from people who WOULD 100% know. The figure for Dawkins I thought was public knowledge.

I was responding to someone saying that Steve immediately got more money than Nigel and listed who he brought in in his first 2 transfer windows to show that not to be the case, I was wrong with Shotton as he was initially brought in on loan, but that only strengthens my argument that Steve did not have all this money to spend straight away.

[Day]

14 minutes ago, trevor1946 said:

Sam Rush with the board sacked Clough,after only 6 months with the club

9 months not that I'm counting, joined 1st January 2013, Nigel sacked end of September

[Sparkle]

Nigel clough did what he was supposed to do, he worked very hard as everybody should do and changed the face of the squad he was rewarded in the form of money and credit for following jobs, we all wanted more but it never looked like it was ever going to happen so thank you again and good look to him and he should be grateful for ever having the opportunity especially for four and a half years.