Star Wars

[AndyinLiverpool]

SPOILER ALERT

 

I watched it last night and I have to say I found it disappointing.

Too many things jarred with me. Possibly the worst was that there is no way the Laura Dern character would not tell Po what was going on. She knows he's a loose canon and needs to keep him in check. The whole of the Finn ? Rose plot line is useless and it hangs entirely on the Laura Dern character's rubbishness. And Luke intending to kill Ben... and cloaked ships... and out of range of the canons is about 200 metres...and Leia's Mary Poppins thing... and if Snoke connected their minds, how come he didn't know where she was and the baddie in the silver stormtrooper kit...

[RamNut]

Its for kids.

 

[EssendonRam]

4 hours ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

SPOILER ALERT

 

I watched it last night and I have to say I found it disappointing.

Too many things jarred with me. Possibly the worst was that there is no way the Laura Dern character would not tell Po what was going on. She knows he's a loose canon and needs to keep him in check. The whole of the Finn ? Rose plot line is useless and it hangs entirely on the Laura Dern character's rubbishness. And Luke intending to kill Ben... and cloaked ships... and out of range of the canons is about 200 metres...and Leia's Mary Poppins thing... and if Snoke connected their minds, how come he didn't know where she was and the baddie in the silver stormtrooper kit...

I thought it was more  Peter Pan and Tinkerbell, replete with the little magic stars. That scene still jars me TBH. For sevral reasons.

1. If she was going to do it, why didn't Leia just use the force?

2. Was it really necessary to make it soooo Tinkerbellish?

3. Wasn't it cowardly of Leia to save herself like that, ie totally out of character?

4. WTF was it?????

 

I've seen it twice (second time in 3D) and I have to say that none of the plot points I found confusing the first time around made much more sense after the second viewing.

The whole Snoke thing struck me as too easy and throwing away what should've been a huge turning point far too cheaply. The only way I can reconcile it is that Kylo suddenly grew in power...because that's the only way it works. But, afterwards, he still has the same weaknesses and flightiness. So how did he kill Snoke?

As for Capt Purplehead, have you ever seen a more wooden character in Star Wars...ever? She was a walking plot device. Such a waste of the Kamikaze scene.

But I seem to be the only person disappointed in the way Skywalker goes out. Wouldn't the climax have been better if it was he, Kylo, Rey and Snoke in the final conflict?

Still I enjoyed it: it just could've been so much better and so much shorter.

 

[StringerBell]

1 hour ago, EssendonRam said:

I thought it was more  Peter Pan and Tinkerbell, replete with the little magic stars. That scene still jars me TBH. For sevral reasons.

1. If she was going to do it, why didn't Leia just use the force?

2. Was it really necessary to make it soooo Tinkerbellish?

3. Wasn't it cowardly of Leia to save herself like that, ie totally out of character?

4. WTF was it?????

 

I've seen it twice (second time in 3D) and I have to say that none of the plot points I found confusing the first time around made much more sense after the second viewing.

The whole Snoke thing struck me as too easy and throwing away what should've been a huge turning point far too cheaply. The only way I can reconcile it is that Kylo suddenly grew in power...because that's the only way it works. But, afterwards, he still has the same weaknesses and flightiness. So how did he kill Snoke?

As for Capt Purplehead, have you ever seen a more wooden character in Star Wars...ever? She was a walking plot device. Such a waste of the Kamikaze scene.

But I seem to be the only person disappointed in the way Skywalker goes out. Wouldn't the climax have been better if it was he, Kylo, Rey and Snoke in the final conflict?

Still I enjoyed it: it just could've been so much better and so much shorter.

 

I’m undecided on Leia, thought it was pretty awesome to see her use the Force in her moment of need, only question is if it’s believable if she could have done it. A little force push in zero g is fine, whether she could have protected herself in the vacuum of space is the more pressing question.

Its happened before though

 

Just seen a Pewdiepie review where he says it’s like Rose wins a competition to hang out with the Star Wars cast. I didn’t like the fathiers, didn’t like how Benicia Del Toro was introduced, and the Canto Bight scene was generally pointless - they actually ended up putting the fleet in harms way as DJ (somehow) told the First Order what the Resistance plan was. The only way I can reconcile it is that failure is a theme of the film.

Doesn’t Snoke do a running commentary of what he sees Kylo doing any moment now? Running Rey through with a lightsaber. Only it wasn’t Rey he was thinking about doing it to. I thought that was clever. 

I wanted to see Luke ignite his green lightsaber and start cutting people in half, it would have fulfilled my desires of who I want Luke to be. But how’s much drama is there in that? The more interesting debate is to whether Luke would have had his moment of weakness, and would his response really be to go into exile rather than deal with the problem.

[Sith Happens]

Watched it today.

Sadly thought the luke scenes were the most boring aspect of the film. Thought the film got better as it went on, too long though.

And WTF the ending was about, no doubt will find out but that WASNT a Star Wars ending.

[TimRam]

Not bad...pleased Carrie Fisher was in it more than her last appearance Nice send off. 7/10

[Sith Happens]

On 12/13/2017 at 17:18, rynny said:

Princess Leia in the gold bikini? 

Imagine if they had put her in it in this one?

[TigerTedd]

Just seen it. 

Liked it, but had to take my daughter to the toilet half way through. 

I did like how they kept screwing up. Normally it’s a case of ‘we’ll take this million to one shot, and it will all work out fine (like the chances of Han Solo picking the precise moment to come out of light speed in the relatively small gap between the shield on the planets surface in the last one)’ but in this case, it didn’t, constantly. I liked that, although it made big chunks of the film a bit pointless (charging towards the battering ram, rise sacrificing herself, just to stop Finn sacrificing himself).

Snoke died a bit easy, although t was a bit clever and kylo and Rey fighting together in that scene was one of the best bits of the film. Will we ever get an explanation of who was, where he came from, or why the left side of his face is so ******* up? (Seems to me the dark side isn’t that luring as everyone who turns to it ends up ugly as sin (maybe that’s the point)). 

[AndyinLiverpool]

2 minutes ago, TigerTedd said:

Just seen it. 

Liked it, but had to take my daughter to the toilet half way through. 

I did like how they kept screwing up. Normally it’s a case of ‘we’ll take this million to one shot, and it will all work out fine (like the chances of Han Solo picking the precise moment to come out of light speed in the relatively small gap between the shield on the planets surface in the last one)’ but in this case, it didn’t, constantly. I liked that, although it made big chunks of the film a bit pointless (charging towards the battering ram, rise sacrificing herself, just to stop Finn sacrificing himself).

Snoke died a bit easy, although t was a bit clever and kylo and Rey fighting together in that scene was one of the best bits of the film. Will we ever get an explanation of who was, where he came from, or why the left side of his face is so ******* up? (Seems to me the dark side isn’t that luring as everyone who turns to it ends up ugly as sin (maybe that’s the point)). 

If you took your daughter during the casino scene, you didn't miss anything.

[StringerBell]

1 hour ago, TigerTedd said:

Just seen it. 

Liked it, but had to take my daughter to the toilet half way through. 

I did like how they kept screwing up. Normally it’s a case of ‘we’ll take this million to one shot, and it will all work out fine (like the chances of Han Solo picking the precise moment to come out of light speed in the relatively small gap between the shield on the planets surface in the last one)’ but in this case, it didn’t, constantly. I liked that, although it made big chunks of the film a bit pointless (charging towards the battering ram, rise sacrificing herself, just to stop Finn sacrificing himself).

Snoke died a bit easy, although t was a bit clever and kylo and Rey fighting together in that scene was one of the best bits of the film. Will we ever get an explanation of who was, where he came from, or why the left side of his face is so ******* up? (Seems to me the dark side isn’t that luring as everyone who turns to it ends up ugly as sin (maybe that’s the point)). 

Almost certainly. But probably not in a film.

[Sith Happens]

13 hours ago, TigerTedd said:

Just seen it. 

Liked it, but had to take my daughter to the toilet half way through. 

I did like how they kept screwing up. Normally it’s a case of ‘we’ll take this million to one shot, and it will all work out fine (like the chances of Han Solo picking the precise moment to come out of light speed in the relatively small gap between the shield on the planets surface in the last one)’ but in this case, it didn’t, constantly. I liked that, although it made big chunks of the film a bit pointless (charging towards the battering ram, rise sacrificing herself, just to stop Finn sacrificing himself).

Snoke died a bit easy, although t was a bit clever and kylo and Rey fighting together in that scene was one of the best bits of the film. Will we ever get an explanation of who was, where he came from, or why the left side of his face is so ******* up? (Seems to me the dark side isn’t that luring as everyone who turns to it ends up ugly as sin (maybe that’s the point)). 

Probably not, made a big mistake for me bringing him into it so much this time, was more imposing as the hologram, should have saved his appearance in the flesh for the last film. Wasn't anywhere near as good, just came across as a bit of a grumpy old bloke, nowhere near as scary as the emperor.

 

[TigerTedd]

45 minutes ago, Paul71 said:

Probably not, made a big mistake for me bringing him into it so much this time, was more imposing as the hologram, should have saved his appearance in the flesh for the last film. Wasn't anywhere near as good, just came across as a bit of a grumpy old bloke, nowhere near as scary as the emperor.

 

I think we’ve come to expect a bit of explanation now. Back in the day it was fine to say, the emperor is dead powerful, get over it. 

But now we’ve had the emperors back story, and so many other canonical sources, I don’t think you can get away with introducing an all powerful with lord with no explanation at all about who he is or where he came from. 

Maybe we’ll get some explanation in another spin off, and it’s all part of master plan from Disney. Like rogue one filled a bit of a gap between 3 and 4, well probably get a 6.5 that shows the rise of the first order and snoke. 

Speaking of, it’s always annoyed me that the rebel’s went through all that hard work to get rid of the Death Star and the emperor, just to then let the first order rise from their ashes. That seems like really poor management. Sort of like the Germans being able to amass a massive army after world war 1, despite all their sanctions. 

[Sith Happens]

10 minutes ago, TigerTedd said:

I think we’ve come to expect a bit of explanation now. Back in the day it was fine to say, the emperor is dead powerful, get over it. 

But now we’ve had the emperors back story, and so many other canonical sources, I don’t think you can get away with introducing an all powerful with lord with no explanation at all about who he is or where he came from. 

Maybe we’ll get some explanation in another spin off, and it’s all part of master plan from Disney. Like rogue one filled a bit of a gap between 3 and 4, well probably get a 6.5 that shows the rise of the first order and snoke. 

Speaking of, it’s always annoyed me that the rebel’s went through all that hard work to get rid of the Death Star and the emperor, just to then let the first order rise from their ashes. That seems like really poor management. Sort of like the Germans being able to amass a massive army after world war 1, despite all their sanctions. 

I'd like to have known, clearly he seemed to be 'old' so who was he and what was he doing at the time of the other movies. Maybe they didn't give it enough thought and its become too difficult to come up with a suitable explanation.

I am also disappointed by the 'where Rey came from' explanation', or maybe Kylo Ren was just saying this and we will find out more.

On your last point I agree, what is the motive behind the First Order rising anyway? This has to be to do with Snoke, but surely if it was he must have been around before, who was he and why did the emperor not know about him?

I thought TFA laid really good foundations for this film and the next and the next one really has to surprise me for it to deliver now.

At least in the TFA Han Solo 'did something', Luke just hung around on a rock for most of this one and his appearance at the end was just a bit rubbish.

 

[TigerTedd]

3 minutes ago, Paul71 said:

I'd like to have known, clearly he seemed to be 'old' so who was he and what was he doing at the time of the other movies. Maybe they didn't give it enough thought and its become too difficult to come up with a suitable explanation.

I am also disappointed by the 'where Rey came from' explanation', or maybe Kylo Ren was just saying this and we will find out more.

On your last point I agree, what is the motive behind the First Order rising anyway? This has to be to do with Snoke, but surely if it was he must have been around before, who was he and why did the emperor not know about him?

I read a good explanation about Rey’s parentage. It was supposed to mirror and echo Luke’s realisation at the end of the second.

Luke was quite happy with the fact that his parents were relatively unexciting. Finding out his father was Darth Vader was the worst thing he could’ve heard at that time.

Whereas Rey is searching for her place in the story. She’s hoping it’ll turn out that she’s the daughter of someone important, it’s almost predictable that she’ll be a secret princess or something.

it was the worst possible thing for her to hear atvthat time, that her parents were nobodies.

i get the idea behind that. But it did feel like a big anticlimax. Sometimes it’s not a good thing to mess with audience expectation. I do hope they rectify it in the next one with some big reveal (but then they’ll probably get panned for being too obvious, mind you in abrams is back on the next one, so her parents will probably be polar bears or something, JJ isn’t one to do predictable).

 

[StringerBell]

36 minutes ago, TigerTedd said:

Speaking of, it’s always annoyed me that the rebel’s went through all that hard work to get rid of the Death Star and the emperor, just to then let the first order rise from their ashes. That seems like really poor management. Sort of like the Germans being able to amass a massive army after world war 1, despite all their sanctions. 

I’m a geek and pretty up to date with canon so I can explain what we know so far. 

From beyond the grave The Emperor enacted Operation Cinder, which attempted to destroy the Empire. His reasoning, - that an Empire that allows the death of its leader should not be allowed to continue. That’s what the Battle of Jakku was all about. Lure the Empire and the Rebellion into one place for a final battle, only to enact a cataclysmic event that will wipe them out. All of them. That event was prevented from being carried out however and the Empire were defeated by the New Republic.

A chosen few including a child Hux and his Imperial officer Dad, and a load of other children went to the far reaches of space. They became the First Order. What happened here is not yet clear, perhaps that’s where Snoke got involved.  Perhaps it’s something to do with the Chiss?

Years later in the new Republic there were some systems that wanted more central control (centrists) while others wanted each system to have more autonomous control (populists). Basically an allegory for Brexit, and yes, Leia voted Leave! ? The centrists were heavily linked with the First Order.

The centrists won out.  Leia was in line to take up a new supreme chancellor type role, despite being against the creation of the role, only for a political opponent to make it public she was the daughter of Darth Vader. Hence Leia’s political career was all but over at this point, and she formed the Resistance.

I can’t remember it all, and there’s still a lot of gaps. But that’s pretty much what they’ve told us so far.

[StringerBell]

I thought Luke’s final stand was terrific.  It wasn’t what I wanted but what I wanted would have been fanfic. If he’d have had a lightsaber scrap beforehand it would have taken away from the ending.

It’s the contemplating murdering his nephew and exiling himself I’m still pondering.

[Rample]

Have to admit on second viewing when you aren't sitting rolling your eyes at every atrocity and wrong turns it isn't as bad as it initially seemed. Don't think I'll bother with a third though.

[Rample]

On 22/12/2017 at 13:10, EssendonRam said:

But I seem to be the only person disappointed in the way Skywalker goes out. Wouldn't the climax have been better if it was he, Kylo, Rey and Snoke in the final conflict?

I agree, Luke's journey should have seen him grow to become a supreme Jedi not go out with a whimper.

I like the wobble that effectively creates Kylo but I can't see how Luke would switch character and just allow first order domination. Everything we know says he would do all he could to stop it.

He was never going to take the whole first order down but could have been a component in removing Snoke and gone out as a hero. 

[Rample]

2 hours ago, StringerBell said:

I thought Luke’s final stand was terrific.  It wasn’t what I wanted but what I wanted would have been fanfic. If he’d have had a lightsaber scrap beforehand it would have taken away from the ending.

Could have been clever about it - by going into the middle of corusant or some other major city and he and Rey defying the odds to defend/liberate it, do some epic force tricks, and possibly end with the ultimate sacrifice, people would see and spread his legacy and that is how the rebellion/Jedi would grow again.

[StringerBell]

3 minutes ago, Rample said:

Could have been clever about it - by going into the middle of corusant or some other major city and he and Rey defying the odds to defend/liberate it, do some epic force tricks, and possibly end with the ultimate sacrifice, people would see and spread his legacy and that is how the rebellion/Jedi would grow again.

I think his final stand works better, which must be one of the greatest displays of force power the galaxy has seen, especially if he’d been cut off from the force for years, and maintains the tragedy that befell him which I don’t have a problem with per se. I’m just still mulling over the whole exile thing though.