Stive Pesley Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 My bad - I meant President not Chairman, so thanks for pointing that one out The original 3 year contract - yep he did say it "When I first joined the club I signed for three full seasons, so my contract was coming to an end" http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Derby-County-President-chief-executive-Sam-Rush/story-28064910-detail/story.html#ixzz3pxalwpEY Large shareholder, yes. He owns a lot of shares. It's been discussed previously. Obviously MM is by far the majority shareholder, but I think there was only evidence that he bought the yanks out - not Sam. Unless you know otherwise? Sorry my comments confused you. The key bit for you to re-read is "All of the above could be achieved in a private business-like manner." Don't read my comments as me being particularly critical of the move - more the manner in which it has been dealt with by the club's media department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 6 minutes ago, StivePesley said: My bad - I meant President not Chairman, so thanks for pointing that one out The original 3 year contract - yep he did say it "When I first joined the club I signed for three full seasons, so my contract was coming to an end" http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Derby-County-President-chief-executive-Sam-Rush/story-28064910-detail/story.html#ixzz3pxalwpEY Large shareholder, yes. He owns a lot of shares. It's been discussed previously. Obviously MM is by far the majority shareholder, but I think there was only evidence that he bought the yanks out - not Sam. Unless you know otherwise? Sorry my comments confused you. The key bit for you to re-read is "All of the above could be achieved in a private business-like manner." Don't read my comments as me being particularly critical of the move - more the manner in which it has been dealt with by the club's media department. Sam owned 5% - that was available on the breakdown of the accounts that I can access. (It showed all the Americans and how much they owned). Its my assumption that Mel has bought Sam's shares as well. Just done another search. The top company in the UK is Global Derby (UK) Limited. The breakdown of the shareholding is as follows: SHAREHOLDERS NON-QUOTED Shareholder's Name Class of Shares Joint Shareholder Number Of Shares Currency Issued Capital NORTH AMERICAN PARTNERS LP Ordinary No 11087667 GBP 11,087,667 NORTH AMERICAN PARTNERS LP Preference No 9532888 GBP 9,532,888 MELVYN, MORRIS Preference No 2467112 GBP 2,467,112 UNDISCLOSED Ordinary No 2436634 GBP 2,436,634 MELVYN, MORRIS Ordinary No 799664 GBP 799,664 SAMUEL, JOHN, RUSH Ordinary No 101622 GBP 101,622 This puts Sam at 3.8% share holding but without being able to look up North American Partners LP and who owns them, I cannot determine the share holder positions. We could easily find MM has 100% in North American Partners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 If he didn't sign and said that he didn't need a contract in order to be committed to the club, people would be saying he's just waiting for a way out to a bigger club when that comes. When he has the contract people are saying he shouldn't need to contract anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 As has been stated earlier, if the fridge magnet had "signed a new 5 year deal" we would be laughing at it...it is just a tin pot announcement that is a sad reflection on modern day football I am afraid, that a member of the office staff has an announcement like this tells you just what is wrong with football. Thanks sky sports news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 41 minutes ago, rammieib said: This puts Sam at 3.8% share holding but without being able to look up North American Partners LP and who owns them, I cannot determine the share holder positions. We could easily find MM has 100% in North American Partners. Good detective work - so my point about him being a shareholder is still true. Kernow - I'm not saying he shouldn't need to contract - (although it still seems weird to me) I guess the point is that I'm struck by the obvious contradiction This is either normal behaviour for clubs to have their President/CEO/Director/Shareholder on a fixed term contract, or it's not normal and we've made a strange move. If it is normal - then why doesn't every club make a big deal about it in the media? Still think it should have just been kept private Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 1 hour ago, MuespachRam said: As has been stated earlier, if the fridge magnet had "signed a new 5 year deal" we would be laughing at it... That would be because of the fact it was him, not the fact it was a contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I think the guy is as important to Derby County (Which is a business as well as a football team) as Clement, George Thorne or Chris Martin is. I think he is more important than Mel Morris but many will disagree with me on that one. However on the basis that any 1st team squad signing a contract is news worthy, Sam committing his future to us is just as important and deserves its own news release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 10 minutes ago, rammieib said: I think the guy is as important to Derby County (Which is a business as well as a football team) as Clement, George Thorne or Chris Martin is. I think he is more important than Mel Morris but many will disagree with me on that one. However on the basis that any 1st team squad signing a contract is news worthy, Sam committing his future to us is just as important and deserves its own news release. No, I have to disagree with you totally, it really doesn't deserve to be any news at all... So he has done a decent job, well done him, but be under no illusions if he was offered a better job he would be off like hot snot...just like anyone would. I still can't get my head around the fact that he (or any of the administrative staff) has a "5 year contract"....surely it's a job he has..!?? Another example how the modern game is the epitome of poop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'm being a bit thick I think.................What exactly is the problem? DCFC is a reasonably large business. It has massive community links and 30,000 + followers. The CEO, a major figure at the club who has it seems to the vast majority done a very good job, is contracted for another 5 years. The club make the announcement to their customers and interview said CEO. Why the bad feeling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 26 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: No, I have to disagree with you totally, it really doesn't deserve to be any news at all... So he has done a decent job, well done him, but be under no illusions if he was offered a better job he would be off like hot snot...just like anyone would. I still can't get my head around the fact that he (or any of the administrative staff) has a "5 year contract"....surely it's a job he has..!?? Another example how the modern game is the epitome of poop It must be sad to be so bitter about everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 1 minute ago, eddie said: It must be sad to be so bitter about everything. Yep it's awful, life is tough..! by the way, have you creamed yourself because I just heard that the IT manager has just signed a new 3 year deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 FFS some people really will look for any reason to moan about things at the club! SR is a popular figure at the club and all they have done by announcing this new contract is to keep the feel good factor going. If this sort of thing doesn't float your boat, ignore it and let the rest of us enjoy being part of a club that seems to be built on solid foundations with good people running it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 It was interesting that SR only now realised some of the difficulties NC had to deal with in his role as DCFC Manager. I wonder if this is based on the size of budget NC had to deal with compared to our current spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 4 hours ago, MuespachRam said: No, I have to disagree with you totally, it really doesn't deserve to be any news at all... So he has done a decent job, well done him, but be under no illusions if he was offered a better job he would be off like hot snot...just like anyone would. I still can't get my head around the fact that he (or any of the administrative staff) has a "5 year contract"....surely it's a job he has..!?? Another example how the modern game is the epitome of poop Isn't that the point though - he can't just go if he was offered a better job. The players and the manager are in the same boat, they cannot just go. I think the vast majority of fans who care about off the field will agree he has done a brilliant job - and those same fans will now care he is tied into us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 4 hours ago, MuespachRam said: Yep it's awful, life is tough..! by the way, have you creamed yourself because I just heard that the IT manager has just signed a new 3 year deal... I was hoping he'd leave, so I could apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Pondering on it overnight and I guess I just have to accept it's the club's choice to publicise it. They obviously thought it would give a little bit of shallow, feel-good entertainment to the average fan. The response on this thread proves they were right, so I'll shut my beak One last thought to leave you with though - Sam mentioned in his interview that his initial 3 year deal was coming to an end (he started in the January so I guess it was a couple of months off expiry). How many fans knew that he was on a 3 year deal and that it was close to expiry? I think the answer is pretty much - none. Now imagine the uproar there will be in 4.5 years time if we think his publicly announced 5 year contract is about to expire... Now remember that alongside the Mac to Newcastle rumours last year, there were also strong rumours about SR being in talks with Chelsea. I heard both at the same time from a source within the club, so not an unfair conclusion to jump to that there was substance to both (as the Mac/Newcastle one was clearly true). At that point Rush had less than a year left on his contract (that no one knew about). Again, imagine the meltdown that will happen if these sort of rumours resurface in the last year of his new 5 year contract.. Sometimes it's best not to know and trust that the club have it all in hand eh? I think we used to be called blind-faithers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Can't wait for the moaners reaction when Daveo annouces my new stunning deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 2 hours ago, StivePesley said: Pondering on it overnight and I guess I just have to accept it's the club's choice to publicise it. They obviously thought it would give a little bit of shallow, feel-good entertainment to the average fan. The response on this thread proves they were right, so I'll shut my beak One last thought to leave you with though - Sam mentioned in his interview that his initial 3 year deal was coming to an end (he started in the January so I guess it was a couple of months off expiry). How many fans knew that he was on a 3 year deal and that it was close to expiry? I think the answer is pretty much - none. Now imagine the uproar there will be in 4.5 years time if we think his publicly announced 5 year contract is about to expire... Now remember that alongside the Mac to Newcastle rumours last year, there were also strong rumours about SR being in talks with Chelsea. I heard both at the same time from a source within the club, so not an unfair conclusion to jump to that there was substance to both (as the Mac/Newcastle one was clearly true). At that point Rush had less than a year left on his contract (that no one knew about). Again, imagine the meltdown that will happen if these sort of rumours resurface in the last year of his new 5 year contract.. Sometimes it's best not to know and trust that the club have it all in hand eh? I think we used to be called blind-faithers! Not sure I like that bit. Are you an above average fan with more depth? If I had known I would not have penned ideas above my station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Gawd, there's more infighting in here than when we were ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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